How far away is "normal"?

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[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Ten percent is what Albert Kinsey estimated the general gay male population to be over half a century ago. The population rate of LGBT people is 3-5%. As shown in this study, this other study, and this Gallup poll. Save your corrections for when you're actually correct. And the rest of your response is just regurgitating mine so... great job repeating me, I guess.

[–]reluctant_commenter 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

Dude, you didn't even read the Gallup poll you linked, lol. It says 8% of millenials identify as LGBT. Of course older generations are dragging down the average, because many never ended up coming out of the closet.

Also, Stonewall or one of the other LGBTQ+ organizations found a prevalence of 8% of cisgender LGB among millenials, let me go find that pdf. Sure it's not quite 10%, but 3-4% is an underestimation (it's averaging across all age groups).

edit: GLAAD, sorry, not Stonewall, my bad. Here's a post about it on s/lgbdropthet: https://saidit.net/s/LGBDropTheT/comments/625t/i_made_charts_from_2017_glaad_survey_data_showing/

However, to your point-- many LB women drink the TQ koolaid so we have a much smaller dating pool, anyway.

From the GLAAD survey:

  • 20% of millenials identify LGBTQ.

  • 8% of those are cisgender LGBA, 4% trans "heterosexual", 8% trans "nonheterosexual". So less than 8% when you exclude asexuals... but more than 8% when you include the LGB people who transitioned.

  • 11% of millenials are LGB (including pansexual, excluding asexual). But of course, some % of these are trans and probably includes some AGPers and the like. So I think you're right about less than 10%, but it's much closer to 10% than the Gallup poll average would suggest.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I actually did, dude. I guess you didn't or you would've seen this:

the increase has been driven almost totally by millennials, whose self-reports of being LGBT have risen from 5.2% six years ago to 8.1% today.

Or this:

Self-reported LGBT identification among older Americans is much more stable.

You took one number from one population and said I was wrong. That's a false comparison. Altogether, the rate of LGBT people in the Gallup poll is still 4.5% for all of the surveyed ages. And that's just Americans.

You don't find it odd that the exact generation that started all this SLURio/you can be MENTALLY ILLwithout dysphoria/you can unlearn your preferences/LGBT is a sacred identity shit in the first place is the one with the highest LGBT population and the highest increase rate? What about all the fetishistic straight people who have started saying they're MENTALLY ILLin the past decade? Or that anyone can say they're ""I'm a fucking moron"" and that's apparently considered trans?

You can't ignore that saying one is LGBT is a trend or aesthetic for a lot of people who actually aren't, particularly millennials. And once they're done screaming at us for not liking dick they'll settle down with their opposite-sex partners, go back to church, have their babies, and probably laugh to their children about that one time they were literally part of a hate group but only because those silly gayz lead them astray.

Why are you trying to derail this thread over this?

EDIT: formatting +

You can stop derailing the thread by not responding anymore, cherry-picking one line out of 1 of 3 research studies, or making up bullshit like saying I insulted the rando who incorrectly "corrected" me. "Correcting" someone with wrong information is not at all helpful to anyone. Did I use any swear words or aggression? No. I noticed your smugness really took a nosedive in your second reply. Y'all just can't take being wrong (or providing any evidence of your personal beliefs you think are facts)... which really should sound familiar to this crowd. Probably the reason this sub is so dead.

Your GLAAD survey doesn't prove you right; all you talk about is American millennials from one survey. I posted three. And even if the LGBT population rate was actually at 10%--which it isn't--that does not mean the population rate of lesbians is 10%. Do the math, y'all. Also this is directly from your link:

12% of Millennials identify as transgender or gender nonconforming

Yeah, real reliable statistics. /s

[–]yousaythosethings 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I agree that I don’t trust GLAAD’s statistics and that even from my standpoint as an LBL, I don’t believe the elevated numbers are mostly explained by more people feeling safe to come out. But I really think you’re being overly harsh here and have the wrong impression of u/reluctant_commenter. She has provided a lot of insightful statistical analysis here and I hope she will continue to do so. She is absolutely not someone who is smug or who can’t take being wrong, but someone who is interested in accuracy and measured, reasoned analysis, not hot takes.

I think there also may be some generational divide at play since she’s Gen Z and around a lot of wokies. From my millennial standpoint where people are still more likely to base their sexual orientation and sense of self on their sex and a lot of tomboys still exist, it feels pretty clear to me that we are a tiny minority.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

She has provided a lot of insightful statistical analysis here

No, she hasn't. She's cherry picked one statistic from one generation of one country from a study--that doesn't even prove the point she was trying to make--in which less than 4,000 people participated. (The first study I provided had around 67,000 subjects.) Not to mention her baseless accusations of apparently "insulting" someone who tried to correct me with incorrect information as her justification for thread-derailing (btw what's yours?).

She is absolutely not someone who is smug or who can’t take being wrong, but someone who is interested in accuracy and measured, reasoned analysis, not hot takes.

Again, completely unproven considering her responses and the 100% smug little "Dude, you didn't even read the Gallup poll you linked, lol" as her very first response. I suggest you read over her replies again because even when she can't prove her point with the study *she** supplied*, she still doubles down on her 10% lie.

I think there also may be some generational divide at play since she’s Gen Z and around a lot of wokies.

And...? I'm supposed to censor myself and commit to her fictions because she's younger and spends her time with people who easily believe the same libfem lies she does? How about no. Or I can start believing feminists are out here killing 50,000 TiMs per year too.

I maintain that it was rude as shit of her (and you and that other one) to try to correct me and censor my responses (isn't that why we hate reddit in the first place?) when she was indisputably wrong and has to mislead people with stats only referring to American millennials (conveniently forgetting that people of other ages in other countries also exist). I am fully done with this nonsense that's not even about this thread since more than half the replies are now probably off-topic. But in the interest of never responding to this shit again, let's do a thought experiment (for the people who believe the 10% fiction but have a problem with my original 3-4% lesbian estimate) and say LGBT people make up exactly 10% of the whole entire population across the earth at all times: go with the .1% estimate for the T, ignore all the research for LGB (even though most Ts are homosexual even now), and split the 9.9% evenly between all groups. That's 3.3% gay men, 3.3% lesbians, and 3.3% bisexuals which falls in line with my original point of

lesbians making up 3-4% of the population

which started this domino of whiners. (If you read the research, it's actually less in reality.) You can have your own issues and opinions, I don't care. But don't correct mine or try to censor me with incorrect information and say it's because I'm a bIg mEAniE.

[–]yousaythosethings 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh Jesus. I was referring to the full body of her contributions to this sub and to s/LGBDroptheT. I’m not interested in policing meanies. I am interested in people not unduly assuming her intentions, character, and perspective based on a limited interaction such that it would discourage her from contributing further content because quite frankly this place can already be a drag sometimes.

[–]reluctant_commenter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think there also may be some generational divide at play since she’s Gen Z and around a lot of wokies.

Lol, read that as "wookies" at first. But yes, I think you're correct. I forget all the time that I'm a lot younger than most posters on s/lesbians and that definitely plays into my sense of how many people I've seen identifying as cisgender LGB (ignoring trans for a moment). I mentioned it in my other comment but I knew a remarkable number of classmates in college, far higher 20%, who self-described as being LGB and not trans. Perhaps it's overly optimistic of me, and giving far too much benefit of the doubt, but I struggle to believe that like 90%+ of those people were just straight-up lying or wrong-- not because the idea unrealistic but because it disturbs me to think about. I'll own that bias.

Also, thank you for the words of support, I really appreciate it dude <3 I try my best to write non-confrontationally but sometimes tone is easily confused, and while I don't believe I am superior to anyone in any way, I was frustrated at how quickly the other commenter (votkriscan) was belittled. Gallup polls do have flaws and limitations, like any other surveys, even though they're often the best (or only) guesses of prevalence that we have; and I am still inclined to believe there may be an underestimation of homosexuality/bisexuality among the older generation which would artificially bring the group average down (to that 3-4% figure). But to be honest, we might just have to wait til we have more and better data than what is currently available. Gender identity ideology is making it harder to accurately assess the prevalence of our community... we might just have to wait until the dust settles in, like, a decade or so.

edit: typos