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[–]Wot 11 insightful - 7 fun11 insightful - 6 fun12 insightful - 7 fun -  (4 children)

Telling lesbians that not being "gold star" makes them permanently tainted by men and less of a lesbian is the shit I don't like. And don't kid yourself by saying that doesn't happen.

Ok, and that can be addressed without acting like the existence of gold stars is some burdensome, illogical division. It's not a zero sum game. Don't kid yourself by acting like that's the only discourse here and discourse put out by only some gold stars when that's very clearly easy rethoric co-opted by trans and bisexuals.

If you truly see all experiences as valuable than there's no reason for you to feel like gold stars should go away. What you're essentially doing is making people's lives comparable with ideology or politicizing it by saying gold stars create division. The division is inherent and fine because there will be women with this experience, period. You wanting them gone demonizes and silences them.

[–]Hydiee 23 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 0 fun24 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I'm shocked. Did you even read what I typed? Seriously??

Where did I say "the existence of gold stars is some burdensome, illogical division"?

Where did I say that I want gold stars "gone"?

First of all, you read and replied to my first comment which happens to begin with "As a gold star..." so you know already that it's dumb of you to say that I want gold stars gone. I said I want the gold star STUFF to be gone. I think it's a stupid concept that creates unnecessary division. Nobody -not a single person- is against you telling your story. You need to quit acting like some ostracized victim.

[–]Wot 9 insightful - 8 fun9 insightful - 7 fun10 insightful - 8 fun -  (2 children)

Where did I say "the existence of gold stars is some burdensome, illogical division" Where did I say that I want gold stars "gone"?

Did you forget you agreed with the woman who said:

It just seems to be a divisive label and I’m not sure why we wilfully perpetuate it. It plays zero role in who I want to date or what I think of a person. Why constantly bring a magnifying glass to who did and didn’t fuck men?

Basically reducing the gold star experience to a harmful concept we perpetuate and wanting the labeling of this experience gone because it's not significant to her? Are you going to act like wanting this gone is not wanting gold stars gone?

What does it even mean to not want gold stars gone but want their stuff gone? It's like saying, I don't want gays gone but I want gay stuff gone and then reducing gay "stuff" to homophobia lol. I was under the impression lesbians didn't want lesbianism politicized because it's an orientation but here yall are politicizing lesbianism lol Like, you literally agreed with a woman who basically said that the gold star concept is misogynistic, is bad because it makes those non-gold stars feel bad, is divisive (thus should go away like being a lesbian isn't divisive in and of itself and that's why we've been banished here), convinced that being gold star is not just an experience in and of itself but a broadcasting of unrealistic expectation but wants women to exist in a world where they don't feel pressure to be with men tho the very subject of gold stars is exhausting and over-talked about. That's not consistent. That's lesbophobic.

As a gold star, I agree that this subject is exhausting and over-talked about (and pointless) I'm glad I haven't met any lesbians in real life who want to sit around and chat about being gold star.

But ok, you aren't against people telling their story and think it's valuable lol

Yall: I want lesbians to be free of the pressure and experience of fucking men but I want those who didn't to essentially stfu about it even tho I acknowledge their voices would be valuable.

[–]Hydiee 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't even know what you're talking about anymore. Why are you bringing up political lesbians? All I said is that I wish we could be like gay men and stop giving a shit about whether other lesbians were with the opposite sex in their past or not. And somehow it turned into this...

But ok, you aren't against people telling their story and think it's valuable lol

When I agreed that the gold star subject is exhausting and over-talked about and said that I'm glad I don't know lesbians who want to sit and chat about that stuff in real life, I was not talking about gold stars telling their stories and experiences. I was referring to that disgusting holier than thou attitude that we've all seen before. What I should have said to be more clear is, "I'm glad I haven't met any lesbians in real life who want to sit around and pat each other's asses for being gold star."

We are on the same side, we both don't want lesbians to feel like they have to have sex with men. I really don't know what your problem is anymore.