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[–][deleted] [score hidden] stickied comment (1 child)

I will get invites to Ovarit. DM me so I can gauge how many invites I need?

[–]TransspeciesUnicorn 37 insightful - 1 fun37 insightful - 0 fun38 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I really hope this peaks some younger lesbians, but I won't hold my breath.

[–]reluctant_commenter 25 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 0 fun26 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think it will. My concern is whether or not they will end up becoming isolated and depressed or whether they will be able to find another supportive community.

[–][deleted] 23 insightful - 2 fun23 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I mean I'm older, but I just got roughly 8% more radicalized.

I think most there were probably already peaked, and just spewing the rhetoric for diplomacy.

[–][deleted] 34 insightful - 1 fun34 insightful - 0 fun35 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Now it only exists as archived pages. It was barely around for what, a month and a half? I don't think the number of subscribers even hit 600.

EDIT: For the record of anyone who is lurking, no, it was not a ban evasion sub. r/TrueLesbians hasn't tried to regroup on Reddit since the summer ban wave. The moderators are different people. Not to mention the userbase here was actually mostly critical of much of the pandering to trigger-happy trans crusaders going on at r/BiologicalLesbians. Everyone here is tired of having to hide or run for being female and homosexual. You guys just hate lesbians lol.

[–]reluctant_commenter 27 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 0 fun28 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Just piggybacking off of this... part of the reason why I started lurking at r/BiologicalLesbians is because it skewed much younger than here. I have met so few lesbians my age, even online, that it feels like we're going extinct, so it was kind of fascinating to actually see some; no disrespect intended to older generations, it's just, that was a really unique little community! And now it's gone.

[–]FineIWillDoItMyself 33 insightful - 3 fun33 insightful - 2 fun34 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

The only lesbian subs that are allowed to be trans exclusionary are porn subs.

[–]chickfactor 31 insightful - 5 fun31 insightful - 4 fun32 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

Wow. Imagine being so threatened by a group of women not wanting to sleep with you that you try to erase them from the internet.

[–][deleted] 20 insightful - 3 fun20 insightful - 2 fun21 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Don't you see? Lesbians talking amongst themselves and posting memes is hateful! What if one of them makes a joke we don't like? /s

[–]VioletRemi 28 insightful - 1 fun28 insightful - 0 fun29 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And that sub even supported TWAW and was allowing transwomen if they were posting about lesbian stuff. It is just stupid.

All lesbian subs and all lesbians are banned from Reddit, it is ridiculous what a big war they have against lesbians. Gay men subs still there, even GC ones who are against transmen are still up. None of lesbian subs are there, yet porn one is up. Argh.

[–]reluctant_commenter 25 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 0 fun26 insightful - 1 fun -  (41 children)

Omg seriously??? I was up late last night having fun reading and I archived every post I read because I knew it could be banned. The thought even crossed my mind at one point: "You know, it could even be banned tomorrow" but then I was like okay, that's probably not going to happen. And now it is. Wow.

Fuck reddit and fuck the homophobic transgender ideology. If anyone wants to browse some archived links, let me know and I'll post them.

[–][deleted] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

If you have a link of that one thread that was something about the need for separate spaces (which was full of very level headed comments from what I remember) that would be great. I think it had over 100 upvotes.

[–]reluctant_commenter 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Ah, wait, I thought I didn't have it but it is saved! https://archive.is/jLxJl

Other stuff:

Any posts discussing female genitals are transphobic, of course.

[–]reluctant_commenter 19 insightful - 4 fun19 insightful - 3 fun20 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

Also an amazing comment, that I'm kicking myself for not archiving the link for.

original link: https://www.reddit.com/r/BiologicalLesbians/comments/k4q7od/comment/gebm4uv

You will get more support identifying as trans then you will for acknowledging ones female same sex attraction. The trans community has received monumental support and protection even at the expense of silencing and spewing violent rhetoric towards homosexual women. I’ve never been applauded, uplifted or even protected by the “masses” as a lesbian. I’ve never seen lesbians embraced by the lgbt community let alone our heteronormative humans with such conviction and passion. Being a lesbian is still so demonized in society and the media. Our inherent womanhood and our sole attraction to ppl born female has ALWAYS come with a target planted firmly on our backs. We are demoralized because our sexuality does not include the male sex, in any way, shape, or form. Trans women who are attracted to women, have more outward support and are able to access lesbian spaces because it’s “their” community. Yet, I as a lesbian am not apart of the trans community, nor do I have any desire to be, it is not my experience. I respect their spaces as we all should. But as we all know, women cannot have anything that centers themselves from ppl born of the male sex. 40 trans ppl died in a year yet hundreds upon hundreds of women die at the hands of men every year. Where is the outcry when ppl weaponize terms like, “terf” against women and lesbians for standing up for ourselves and declaring something as simple as ppl born male have a different experience from ppl born female no matter how one chooses to feel/identify. It baffles me how no one can see the “male-entitlement” and blatant homophobia brandished against lesbians. It’s disheartening and sad but not at all surprising. As far as I’m concerned the methods that trans women have equipped are nothing short of age old patriarchal tools of oppression. I’m black, I’m a woman and I’m a lesbian who is labeled by people born white and male as a bigot for daring to refuse “girldick.” And you know what it feels like? The same controlling, violent attacks that I’ve received from misogynistic and homophobic people’s my entire existence.

I’m not sorry that I know trans women were born male and not female. Ban me. I’m used to being societally “ostracized.” Kiss my pretty black gay behind while you’re at it.

[–]VioletRemi 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Amazing post, and true. I heard a lot of stories from detransitioners, mostly butch lesbians, who were bullied in school, misgendered and being called "he", ridiculed and laughed out for not being feminine and not liking boys, but when they came out as transmen and started taking hormones - they became school heroes, praised by everyone in class and internet, plus testosterone at first is working as anti-depresant as well. Society really pressures on young gnc women.

[–]StoneyTangawizi1 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (35 children)

Thank you for archiving them. Do you have the thread about goldstar positivity?

[–]reluctant_commenter 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (34 children)

Yeah, here it is (and a few comments up, I posted several other links!): https://archive.is/3m1gI

I thought that was a great discussion.

edit: typo

[–]StoneyTangawizi1 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Oh thanks. Yes it was great indeed. I was surprised such topic was allowed tbh considering how there are many anti-goldstars out there among many of the so called "lesbian" community.

How about the other thread about "is it me or goldstars are more common in religious conservative countries than in the West" or the thread by the user n3yrr4 also about goldstar positivity? Did you also archived that?

[–]reluctant_commenter 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (11 children)

Yeah I am really surprised by the hate for it. I am not a goldstar myself, I was heavily pressured by a homophobic parent into heterosexual dating when I was a teenager. So I am really glad when I hear other lesbians are goldstar, because it means they weren't put through that! I wish we lived in a world where any girl could grow up a goldstar.

And for those who tried men to explore before they knew what they liked, vs. those who didn't-- who cares?? People care so much about who women do and don't have sex with... If you like only women, you like only women, regardless of how you figured that out.

edit: Also sorry I forgot to respond, I did not see those other threads, sorry! But you could try searching them on archive.is?

[–]StoneyTangawizi1 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Yep you would be shocked. I have seen many anti-goldstars and non-goldstars insulting goldstars for no reason such as you are "ugly, fat, socially awkward, femcel' that's why you are "undesirable and unfuckable" to men or just straight calling them "virgins because they never have real sex". I heard this a lot from many so called "lesbians": "how do you know for sure you are lesbian if you never fucked a guy"?

That's why I think goldstar positivity is important and should be heavily promoted and discussed in the lesbian community. It's messages can help more younger generation of lesbians become goldstars if someone told these girls that they don't need to ever experiment/be with a dude if they struggled to accept/figure out their sexuality or feel pressured by the society due to fucked up sexist hypocritical dickcentric male-worshipping heteronormative standards. If they know or heard that there are also lesbians out there who never been with a dude and never will do in their lives, they will desire and strive to become one as well. Thus greatly increasing the number of goldstars among the newer generation of lesbians.

Well there are a lot of goldstars who don't want to date or do anything/be associated with those who have been with males at all.

[–]reluctant_commenter 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I have seen many anti-goldstars and non-goldstars insulting goldstars for no reason such as you are "ugly, fat, socially awkward, femcel' that's why you are "undesirable and unfuckable" to men or just straight calling them "virgins because they never have real sex".

What the fuck? That is just straight-up lesbophobia.

I heard this a lot from many so called "lesbians": "how do you know for sure you are lesbian if you never fucked a guy"?

Lol okay yeah that's just straight-up homophobia. I wonder-- I'm sure some claiming that who may actually not be lesbians, but I wonder if some of the non-goldstars are just super insecure about their past sexual experiences with guys. You know? And then lash that out on other people instead of dealing with it in therapy or whatever. That's really sad...

Well there are a lot of goldstars who don't want to date or do anything/be associated with those who have been with males at all.

Yeah, I find that a little odd but to each their own, I guess. I haven't really encountered anyone like that in real life and I think most people don't care too much about this whole goldstar-identification thing anyway when it comes to dating. But I wish people wouldn't bully each other over it either way...

Back before I discovered truelesbians, I spent some time browsing Tumblr and I came across arguments over the goldstar thing, claiming it was like bigoted or something. I think it must've been people making the arguments described in this archive link / that you've described, lol.

[–]VioletRemi 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

In my country it is the opposite what is true actually, gold-stars are often attacking everyone else for being not pure and not real lesbians, that even if you get raped you are stopping being lesbian in their eyes. So gold stars often seen as elitists and non-goldstar lesbians just assuming any gold-star will be an elitist bitch, and treated accordingly. And in general this phrase is pretty new here and came from west, and western stuff always twisted and taken by rich or elitists, I guess that played a role too.

I really hate this elitism as well. I am always glad for gold stars to not living through horrible experience lesbians in homophobic countries lived or one that I lived myself, and always cheering up for them, unles they are from the elitist squad, or from countries like USA, where they can easily be goldstar and ignoring that rest of the world is different.

In ideal world every lesbian will be gold star.

[–]StoneyTangawizi1 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Maybe it is for your country but its not for mine.

I am from a really conservative homophobic country in Asia but we don't really have much of this goldstar vs non-goldstar issue here. Because goldstars here are pretty much the nor among lesbians, due to the taboo and stigma against premarital sex, dating and relationship while virginity here is still highly expected for women. Not really, even being from countries like US, doesn't guarantee that lesbians can easily be goldstar there. There are still a lot religious homophobic people there and there is still a lot of pressure for women to date and fuck dudes from the society. In fact, almost all the non-goldstars I met were from "liberal progressive" Western countries. And I think it has to do with the very sex-obsessed culture in USA and other Western nations where premarital sex is rampant, people are expected to be sexually active since early age and sex-positive as in sleeping with anyone, while being a virgin is a sign of failure in life and seen as "loser or prude".

I learnt from another lesbian who is originally from Morocco that gold/platinum stars are pretty much the norm in her country as well due to the taboo against premarital sex which makes it even difficult for women who like men and wanted to date and fuck them to get laid and that she only ever met non-goldstars in Western countries.

Also I heard from another lesbian who is also from North Africa as well (not sure the country) who told me in her nation, there isn't an issue of goldstar vs non-goldstar there as goldstars are pretty much the norm among lesbians there, due to the conservative culture and attitude towards premarital sex and dating.

Also from another lesbian is originally from China that almost every lesbian she knows from there is a platinum star, because the Chinese attitude regarding sex and desire is very different from Westerners. They see being promiscuous/sexually active as "loose" or "bringing shame to the family". In fact, many Chinese wanted to be virgins until marriage.

[–]VioletRemi 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Well I am in the middle between West and East, so we took the worst from both, lol. Here lesbians were often forced into marriage, at first by law, and later by society. Now I think everything is much better.

And yeah, as I've said, golden star as phrase is new here as well, and mostly used by elitists (not always even lesbians, but bisexual women who never slept with men) to bully the rest. It is slowly going away as well, with raise of gay and lesbian acceptance.

Isn't platinum star is being born through IVF?

[–]Wot 9 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 5 fun -  (20 children)

I gotta say I really do agree with OP and another commenter here. I don't think non-gold stars that willingly fucked men are really lesbians either because lesbian not only means attracted to only women but a lack of attraction to men. I don't need to fuck a dog, dead body or child to clear any confusion or insecurity or doubt about being attracted to them because I don't have even the possibility of being attracted to them. Yet, the capacity and possibility of being attracted to men and enjoy fucking them was on the table for the vast majority "lesbians" and that's very much the dominant experience instead of that lack of attraction. I couldn't imagine pushing the idea onto straights or even gay men that they need to fuck the same/opposite sex to learn themselves and them not overwhelmingly responding with, "cool story." lol

[–]VioletRemi 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Then a big portion of lesbians, especially from homophobic countries, are not lesbians anymore, especially ones bullied or forced into marriage. Enjoying sex with men or liking men is the other question, thought.

[–]StoneyTangawizi1 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

If they are forced or bullied into marriages, then they are lesbians of course. And those lesbians are still believable to me than many Western "lesbians" who dated and fuck men for like several years, have kids and then waked up one day thinking that they are "lesbian" as can be seen from r/LBL or other reddit "lesbian" spaces.

However, my country is fairly conservative and homophobic, but I can tell you that forced marriages are very uncommon here. So being gold/platinum stars are pretty much the norm here, me and all of my friends are goldstars.

[–]VioletRemi 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Well, /r/LBL is a joke and most western lesbians are only lesbians because it is fashion on lesbians and it is sexy to be lesbians for their men. Selling themselves more expensive "I was lesbian, but you was so good that I become straight for you". Most of those you are naming are just bisexuals, often straight. I actually dated one like that, even tried sex with her ("political lesbian" she was). She was trying to enjoy, but I saw so much disgust in her, she was basically telling with her body "I hate men and doing this in spite of them, there no other choice, if living without men".

I mostly know lesbians from places like Chechnya, Egypt or Georgia, and some other muslim countries, where it is often the case (including "corrective rapes", one of which I luckily escaped myself), so yeah, I should be more specific there.

[–]StoneyTangawizi1 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Yes I also believe most of those so called "lesbians" are actually bisexuals, and yes maybe even straight. I also don't believe in stories of "lesbians" who claimed they fucked men because they are drunk, lonely, sexually frustrated, bored, don't want to be a "virgin" or want to try it out/bicurious, etc.- I think those women are bisexuals. I actually believe that a very significant percentage of non-goldstars in the West are actually kinsey 4 or 5s, febfems or just straight "political lesbians".

Wow that's horrible. I'm really sorry for that. Are goldstars common among lesbians in those countries if they were not forced into marriages?

[–]VioletRemi 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

When I am completely wasted, I was starting to sexually harass straight women, not men. When brain is not working and instincts are kicking in - body does what it programmed to. So if with brain on, it is possible to force yourself to have sex with man, with brain out - nah, never. Unless you cannot move and basically getting raped.

Are goldstars common among lesbians in those countries if they were not forced into marriages?

I think yes, but it is hard to live as lonely woman. And if country allows "few wifes", then it is possible to marry and never have sex with husband.

I would be gold star as well, but I wanted to become straight and live normal life, as I was fired from job for being lesbian, was beated up (still have scars on face and body) and almost "correctivelly raped", and that man was really kind person, the best man I've met till this day, so I thought, maybe at least with him I will be able to start loving men. Sadly or gladly, but that not worked out and we divorced after 2 years. He was actually very kind person, and when understood that nothing is working, he stopped forcing any sex or intimacy at all. I was even sad that can't love him back, lol. We went to sexologist and doctor said that I am frigid, and ignored me talking about liking women. After that I was trying to "become a man" instead, so to appear straight, but I am too short and feminine looking for that, so it failed too - I am glad that transmen trend was not up back then, or I could ruin my body forever.

[–]Elvira95 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (5 children)

I wish you could sexually harrass me...

[–]yousaythosethings 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I have no problem whatsoever with gold star positivity but I am not myself one and neither are the majority of lesbians I personally know, even the ones that I find impossible to picture with a man. While you are entitled to your opinion, there are a number of possible scenarios that can result in a lesbian not being a gold star due to having “willingly fucked” a man. Trauma often has a lot to do with how we end up in this scenario making the choice that results in us not being gold stars. It doesn’t mean we were ever attracted to men.

But I do believe generally that there is a scale of believability. Some people’s stories don’t really add up to them being lesbians and there are now resources actively convincing straight and bisexual women that they’re lesbians when they’re not.

[–]reluctant_commenter 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Trauma often has a lot to do with how we end up in this scenario making the choice that results in us not being gold stars. It doesn’t mean we were ever attracted to men.

But I do believe generally that there is a scale of believability. Some people’s stories don’t really add up to them being lesbians and there are now resources actively convincing straight and bisexual women that they’re lesbians when they’re not.

Completely agree.

[–]StoneyTangawizi1 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I'm actually the OP myself and tbh, I have to admit that I hard time identifying or feeling in common with the majority of lesbians as well if "fucking and dating men" was the dominant and common experience.

I feel the following story below needs to be heard much more. Its from another forum. Its good example of goldstar positivity.

While I understand and respect that women and lesbians's journey can be different, as someone who grew up with a lesbian aunt and her group of lesbian friends (nine of them women from two different continents, and five different countries. My aunt and I are Irish/North Indians. Four are surgeons like my aunt, two lawyers, one architect, one accountant and one forensic research scientist), I feel like the notion and careless mention that "non gold stars" are many is an utter disrespect for many, many, many, many "gold stars/platinum stars".

Back in the days of my aunt and her friends' youthful days(early 70s to early 90s, where they were between their teenage years and twenties, they don't go by the star thing. In fact, they are beautiful and intelligent young women who chose to concentrate on furthering their education and establishing their career, along where they met their girlfriends and future wives)

These women come from various backgrounds and race, most of them are Europeans and Americans who didn't blindly follow any silly "peer pressure" and such. Some of their other lesbian friends who were from more conservative, religious background who initially thought that there was something wrong with them actually didn't resort to "following their peers or trying to date men", instead they isolated themselves from doing something that is extremely revolting to them. Eventually, they understood that being a lesbian is absolutely normal, and the hetero-patriarchal society they live in will never get to dictate their lives.

Growing up amidst these wonderful, brave women and learning more from their friends and acquaintances made me realise that stories and journies like this are often silenced and not spoken or told widely enough because these women treat being a lesbian as normal and as natural as the sun and moon, and defying the misogynistic, hetero-patriarchal society.

My sympathies and understanding for those who weren't brave or fortunate enough to have such courage and clearer mind and convictions but in all honesty, these are not the stories that should be told often because these are NOT the norm. These so called "non goldstars" are NOT the norm anywhere in the world, not even in countries like America where high schoolers are pressured to loose their "virginity" like it's some damn plague. It's just that they're stories and experience are repeated often, so very unfortunately. It almost seems like it's done on purpose by some other groups of people that try to tell other girls and women "hey, you can't decide you're gay/lesbian unless you've tried having sex or having sexual relations with men", which is extremely, disgustingly revolting. It's nothing but male entitlement demanding that any woman or girl must be available to men. This has to be eradicated, like twenty centuries ago.

My wish and advice to young lesbians is that they understand that in no terms do they ever have to do something that they're uncomfortable with, in no terms do they have to try something that they find utterly revolting just because their other friends are doing it, in no terms do they have to feel pressured to let their body be a merely available sexual object for some entitled piece of shit.

My wish for especially the young lesbians is that they understand that yes, it's absolutely normal to wait; Yes, it's absolutely normal to simply wait even for your very first kiss, your very first sexual relation with a girl/woman whom YOU are sexually (and even romantically) attracted to and who SHE is mutually attracted to and respects and cherish you as a person. Yes, it's absolutely alright to want your "firsts" to be special, with that special girl/woman.

[–]reluctant_commenter 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh gotcha, well thanks for making that post! Really a pity the sub is now banned.

I think that post that you shared has a fantastic message. I wish I had heard that when I was younger.

That said-- I am kind of skeptical of this claim:

but in all honesty, these are not the stories that should be told often because these are NOT the norm. These so called "non goldstars" are NOT the norm anywhere in the world, not even in countries like America where high schoolers are pressured to loose their "virginity" like it's some damn plague.

Source? I am skeptical because unless there is data, it is just a battle of "no, MY anecdote is more common!" she-said, she-said, so to speak. I haven't read up on this topic at all, though, it could well be true.

Perhaps I am not fully understanding what "goldstar" means, as well-- my understanding was that if, say, you were raped you'd be a non-goldstar, the same as you'd be no longer a virgin, correct me if I'm wrong (I am not much impressed by the label "virgin", but just as a point of comparison). And lesbians are like 2-3 times likelier than straight women to have been through sexual abuse, for example, so it would make sense that many would self-describe as being "non-goldstar" if they define the term this way. edit: and would also explain their insecurity about it... which is entirely understandable but not an excuse for bullying others, please go to therapy, people.

Tbh-- I think mental illness plays into it, too. Those who have no sense of boundaries, or who were groomed from childhood, are unlikely to say no or to realize that they can say no. Again, lesbians are statistically at a disadvantage on that front. There was a fascinating comment about this on a thread I saw on here a while ago, I might try and find it.

[–][deleted] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I'm actually the OP myself and tbh, I have to admit that I hard time identifying or feeling in common with the majority of lesbians as well if "fucking and dating men" was the dominant and common experience.

Is this really the common experience? I'm not gold star, but I would not sum up my experience as "dating and fucking men."

[–]StoneyTangawizi1 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It seems pretty common from what I noticed of several users from truelesbians and many other lesbian spaces. But this narrative is also very common; the "I fucked a dude once when I was young and never again" type of stories.

[–][deleted] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

For me it was twice, but not PiV sex, which I could never bring myself to do, and I cried afterwards both times and wondered what was wrong with me. I never had a boyfriend, and I never even kissed any of my "dates." This idea that you're either gold-star or living some "dating and fucking dudes" sex-and-the-city lifestyle before coming out just seems so weird to me.

I have seen the whole "I've had a dozen boyfriends, but the last one cheated on me, so I'm gay now" in grosser places like LBL, but I never saw it on TL. Gross if so. Ugh.

[–]StoneyTangawizi1 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Apologies for asking but may I asked were those two times bjs, handies or did you get fingered or eaten out by them? Its strange though because I have heard some lesbians claim that they never have sex with a dude but have give him a handy or bj. And that confused me because isn't that still a form of sex/sexual act or do they think PIV is the only "actual sex"? Because going by that standard, goldstars are literally virgins for their whole lives as well as they never interact in anyway or form with a dick.

I wonder how many non-goldstars never have PIV but did bj, handy, get fingered or eaten out by a guy?

Yes I don't know where that stereotype of "dating and fucking dudes" come from. Maybe something to do with how sex-obsessed, phallocentric the US or anywhere else in the West is?

Well maybe not that type of narrative, but I think have seen a few posts of "dating and sleeping of several males" as a self harm on TL.

[–]reluctant_commenter 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It seems pretty common from what I noticed of several users from truelesbians and many other lesbian spaces.

Huh, that's kind of fascinating. I will admit, I was only on TL like a week before it was banned, so idk how much it differed from here.

the "I fucked a dude once when I was young and never again" type of stories.

I feel like that situation is likely happen out of different reasons/motivations than repeatedly seeking out dudes, though. If I'm trying a food that's new, I might try it once out of curiosity and if it's gross I stop eating it; I don't try it another 10 times, lol. Unless someone were forcing me to keep trying it, of course (and then you have a situation of coercion). (edit: Or unless I am very unaware of my body's reaction to that food. This is where mental illness steps in. Many disorders have as a symptom a lack of ability to recognize one's bodily sensations or emotions. And mental illness is prevalent among lesbians, so this is a pretty relevant detail.) A common societal message directed at lesbians is: "You have to try dick in order to be sure you don't like it." If you have a given group of lesbians, I'm sure some have the boundaries/personality traits/whatever to say, "Fuck no" even if they're being pressured, but some might be pressured into it and try it once. Or multiple times if they live in a homophobic family/religion with threat of violence, etc., and are trying to prove to someone that they are straight in order to avoid repercussions.

I could see how your perspective is a lot different if in your country where you grew up, there was a lot more pressure of "saving yourself until marriage". In fact-- I wouldn't be surprised if among "non-goldstars" from your country, they are more likely to NOT be lesbians, than "non-goldstars" from USA, because there would have been little pressure for them to try dating men first, and it would've been more likely that it happened voluntarily. (Correct me if I've misrepresented your country's views.)

[–]mangosplums 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Since you archived every post, I think you have the exact evidence to go the media about the discrimiation by reddit. You're achive will provide proof there was nothing ban worthy in that sub.

[–][deleted] 24 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 0 fun25 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I hope this peaks all of them. They were TWAW and very supportive of the trans community and this still happened to them. How dare women want their own space from men right?

[–]Hydiee 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There was a lot of brainwashed young lesbians on that sub. Hopefully they will wake up now.

[–]MyLongestJourney 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The lesbian persecution continues. But we are still not sucking their dicks.

[–]censorshipment 20 insightful - 2 fun20 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

It's time to reform The L Chat: make it a real lesbian forum instead of a "shipping" forum.

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    [–]censorshipment 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Just needs more older, regular lesbians.

    [–][deleted] 16 insightful - 7 fun16 insightful - 6 fun17 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

    Incels gonna incel

    [–][deleted] 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Well that sucks. I wasn't really into the memes since I'm older, but it was a nice sub anyway. We really just need to make and maintain our own spaces instead of relying on a shit platform like reddit.

    [–]VioletRemi 24 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 0 fun25 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    As one lesbian said - TRA are chasing lesbians out of reddit completely. Any new subreddit created when hits 500 subscribers is getting nuked down. Butch lesbian sub, tomboy lesbian sub, true lesbian sub, and now biological lesbian sub. There so many gay men subreddits, each overlapping with other gay subs, and with men subs. What is there for lesbians - only 2 subs. /r/Lesbians filled with pornography and /r/AL filled with posts about dicks, bisexuals and transwomen. Saying "I love pussies and only pussies" will get you banned there. It is ridiculous.

    [–]SailorMoon2020 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

    Well, r/cislesbians, r/reallesbians, r/homosexualwomen, are there but private. R/lesbianspace, r/actuallylesbian, and r/lesbianactually are up. These subs have more women than trans because one sub is mellow. The other one one isn't allowed to mention they're trans because it's irrelevant, and the other is filled with women posting pictures. Picture subs don't tend to have too many trans because they don't pass and often get downvoted.

    [–]VioletRemi 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Yeah, but you can't really discuss much with only pictures.

    [–]PasLagardere 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Dear God, when will this stop?

    [–]SailorMoon2020 11 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 4 fun -  (12 children)

    Holy fucking shit balls.

    See they should have made it private.

    Edit: The problem is, they did the same mistake as TL. Thought civil discourse would save them. No, if you want a lesbian sub, you have you make it private. Stop playing nice ffs.

    [–]VioletRemi 25 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 0 fun26 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

    Hiding and going underground, where no one new can see you is not really a good way to do things. There a ton of gay subs, which are even openly transphobic, and they are fine - while lesbian subs are targeted and banned all the time.

    [–]reluctant_commenter 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Yup, I agree. Being female and homosexual shouldn't have to be a secret...

    It feels like upside-down world to go from being villainized by conservatives for my sexuality to being villainized by liberals for my sexuality. Wtf is 2020.

    [–]SailorMoon2020 11 insightful - 5 fun11 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 5 fun -  (8 children)

    Because transmen aren't as aggressive as transwomen. They still walk with their tail between their legs. Another thing is those gay subs allow for transmen to post and interact, it's just the population of the sub prefers to not fuck with them. It's like r/lesbianactually or r/actuallylesbian, they(trans) can post and interact there but rarely do because the population rather not fuck with them like that.

    [–]reluctant_commenter 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    True, but in AGB transmen are in the minority, whereas on AL less than 1/3 of the people there (and probably WAY less than that, if people were lying on the AL demographics survey) are lesbians (female and homosexual).

    [–]SailorMoon2020 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I concur yet also see a different pov. There was a post on AL that read, "Transwomen are more supported on this sub then WOC".

    That post got dozens of awards, reached the front page, and had a thousand or so upvotes. So needless to say, if dozens of WOC who are bisexual or homosexual feel they can't post because they won't receive the same support as trans, then maybe there are tons of women lurking and not posting.

    I personally believe the MODS of AL are blocking post and uplifting trans ones since the MODS are trans.

    [–]reluctant_commenter 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    So needless to say, if dozens of WOC who are bisexual or homosexual feel they can't post because they won't receive the same support as trans, then maybe there are tons of women lurking and not posting.

    I personally believe the MODS of AL are blocking post and uplifting trans ones since the MODS are trans.

    Completely agree.

    [–]VioletRemi 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    By the subreddit overlaps, most lesbians there are either not posting at all and just read only, or in that survey people just lied, as it was asking how they are identifying, not who they are. Because in overlapping subreddits there is such thing that for every 1 post in /r/AskWomen, there 55 posts in /r//MtF and 40 in /r/trans by posters from /r/AL, overwhelming majority of active posters are cross posting in /r/MtF and /r/trans, so if there lesbians, they are almost never posting.

    [–]reluctant_commenter 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Yup, I agree. That is why I am inclined to wonder whether many of the people on that survey are straight-up lying. Or LARPing, at least. 1/3 is the maximum it could be.

    [–]LeaveAmsgAfterBeep 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    A lot of them don’t view it as lying, but “identify” as biological females, female gender, etc. they don’t seem to understand the irony involved that they just sound more insane and do no favors to themselves by lying and they all want to make an effort to help erase what lesbian actually means and colonize it for themselves. (And I agree it is lying, but these people are above nothing and are not the PR sanctioned lovely kind innocent people they want to be viewed as).

    [–]reluctant_commenter 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    You're totally right. In their minds it would not be lying at all. I ought to not assume that their perspective even has that little bit of reality.

    [–][deleted] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I can maybe buy that only 1/3 of AL is trans, but that 1/3 is making 80% of the posts and everyone else is just quietly filling out demographic surveys, I guess.

    [–]sootsprite 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Nah, Reddit is a lost cause. It's better to migrate elsewhere

    [–]Anniesworld 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Has anyone thought maybe the TRAs found out about r/biologiclesbians because we talked about it here on saidit? I know my Reddit account is being looked at by tims, I've received a few sexual messages about sitting on d***. Has anyone else noticed anything like that happening on their reddit account in the last month?

    [–][deleted] 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    It is true that TRAs are constantly watching what goes on s/Lesbians, s/GenderCticial, s/LGBDropTheT, Ovarit, etc. But that r/BiologicalLesbians sub was already on their radar before we started talking about it.

    I remember early on a transwoman came in and made a thread all about being a transbian before the sub was barely a few pages long, wagging their fingers so the "cis" lesbians wouldn't misbehave. The main mod assured the transbian that transwomen could post as long as they didn't make it about being trans because that's pretty much what r/ActualLesbians is. There was also the time only a few posts later someone posted a lesbian meme and some TRA got on the OP's case for it. They were heavily downvoted and removed for insitgating drama.

    TRAs have been complaining for a few months now over how "terfs" have increased in numbers. What they don't realize is that their relentless bullying and victimhood complex is annoying people who support them and people who were previously uninvolved. They also don't understand that the vast majority of people are not comfortable with their demands which actively threaten the LGB and women. And more "normies" are starting to notice.

    ETA: Random sexually explicit messages from men is a common thing on Reddit but I can't comment on whether or not it's gone up or down recently.

    [–]begonia_skies 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Can't say I'm surprised, I hope the SaidIt community here stays active, this is the only space I personally have where I can feel comfortable to discuss this movement the TRAs have taken against lesbians. The other day I noticed one of my old friends, who is very much a lesbian, on Facebook was in a relationship, and at first (this will sound rude, but...) I thought her girlfriend was just very unattractive, like hit with an ugly stick, but after looking closer, the arms, the adam's apple, the face structure - yep, one of my good friends who is an out and proud dyke is dating a MtF. I just can't believe it, I wish there was something more I could do.

    [–]windrunner 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    There's also a GC discord and ovarit in case and LOL the adam's apple always give them away