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[–]peaked2020 25 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 0 fun26 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I agree that the master doc is silly and am happy to see pushback on it finally... and it’s woke so I’m glad that they can’t immediately say TERF...

But this author... don’t like her either. She keeps saying lesbians can like men basically and that our definition needs to be clarified. As if people don’t understand what the word lesbian means she even says “bi dykes” are valid... over snd over she makes this point that lesbians should not have to not be attracted to men.

Then she says some things are TERF that are not. For example she says seeing feminine men as women is TERF. But TERFs say all men, no matter how feminine are just men and even trans women are just men...

[–]TalerTest 16 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

EDIT: oops I didn't mean to respond to you but I'll leave it lol

"My main issues with the document are:

  1. That it is full of misinformation and unresearched theory, including but not exclusive radical feminism and politcal lesbianism.

  2. A lot of that misinformation is bigoted, specifically misogynistic, ableist, biphobic and transphobic

  3. I believe it to be the most malicious in its bi-erasure and, if I'm being perfectly honest, its weird kind of conversion rhetoric."

So she's thinks the CompHet master doc is biphobic and bi-erasure and guilty of preaching conversion rhetoric. I'm a little confused about the conversion therapy part. Does she think that we lesbians want to convince every woman that she's a lesbian or something? Uhh we've been trying to get fetishistic straight women to fuck off for the longest time. We're definitely not out to convert anyone here. And as for "bi-erasure", that's got nothing to do with us. Bisexual women have been erasing themselves forever. When you tell them matter-of-factly that they're bisexual and not lesbians they will gut you.

She doesn't realize that the Master Doc is homophobic.

[–]LeaveAmsgAfterBeep 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yes a lot of bi women imo in the areas where things like comphet are popular, seem to think there are camps of lesbians (often not just poli lez) who want to convert bisexuals and straight women into lesbians. One time I told a lady that literally no lesbian has such an agenda and if she did it would be fucked up and she called me a rape apologist out of no where. This wasn’t my only experience with that type, its a weird “lesbians are trying to erase bi women’s existence” when lesbians are frequently trying to tell bisexual women to not call themselves lesbians when they are bi, or telling other people that a woman who enjoys fucking men isn’t a lesbian but at least bi or straight. It’s... a weird internet phenomena where people forget bisexual people are oppressed in the real world by things that negatively affect homosexual people, and may also face some microagressions and bullying in any community, but ultimately online the worst thing to “happen to bi people” is people forget they’re bi while in a heterosexual marriage... I feel bad for bisexuals who still live in reality, I genuinely do, and I feel bad even for those who read things and get caught up and confused in the moment but realistically a google doc written by a 19 year old on tumblr probably shouldn’t have made their source cut to begin with...

[–]just_lesbian_things 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

its a weird “lesbians are trying to erase bi women’s existence” when lesbians are frequently trying to tell bisexual women to not call themselves lesbians when they are bi, or telling other people that a woman who enjoys fucking men isn’t a lesbian but at least bi or straight

Seriously. Every lesbian I know want the distinction between bi and lesbian to be crystal clear. Everytime there's someone who likes the ambiguity and refuse to clarify or purposefully mislead it turns out to be a bi woman. They're always the ones using terms like "lesbian " on themselves too. I never see full on lesbians call themselves bisexual as an "umbrella term".