Americans: who did you vote for?

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[–]Anniesworld 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I voted for trump. I think that the job of president is not about being likeable or nice, it's about the job you do for the people. Trump has delivered on many of his campaign promises. I get that he looks and sounds like an ass half the time, but you cannot deny he has done good for this country in terms of the economy( barring covid, but any president would not have been able to avoid the economic impact). Our international standing is stronger as we became energy independent. I think a vote for biden is a vote for stepping backwards in international issues and on the economy. Not only that, he is personally involved in a massive corruption scandal. I know a lot of you will tell me that is fake but I'd be glad to talk about it with you and tell you some things you probably have not heard before about it( I can also link info). I know a lot of responses to the biden corruption is to say trump does it too but, the catch is thst he was impeached and investigated by the democrats. They found no evidence of wrongdoing and they wanted to gut him like a fish. I also personally think that the democrats behavior in the last few months has really soured me to wanting to vote for them. I personally would have liked to have someone more polished and less abrasive to vote for, but I'd rather vote for someone who gets things done. Did anyone want to see Tulsi Gabbard be considered for vp of Bidens ticket? I personally think she has the chops for being a strong candidate for 2024 if the DNC doesn't manipulate the primaries again.

[–]Jillyjanejan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

When you say that Trump has helped the economy what are you specifically referring to? The credit for that success should be given to Obama.

[–]Anniesworld 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

How do you credit that to obama? What part of his policies actually provided the economic growth we saw before covid? I would argue that trump's tax plan made the american economy more attractive for investment. Question for you, would you rather have 3% of 5 million dollars or none? When we tax companies in high rates they decide to move out of the american economy and go to Singapore and panama to bank and evade taxes. It's generally not a great idea to raise taxes on corporations because they will just leave and then the american people are cheeted out of the money that should be taxed. Another thing is that if they decide to stay, who do you think will really pay those taxes, the consumer will have to pay 20$ for a gallon of milk. That does not seem like a great economy to me. If your response is we force them, my response is to watch as all the skilled educated people find ways to move to England and singapore. My family is cuban this is exactly what happened. People who are cuban doctors in recent years are still trying to find ways out of cuba. The tax cuts helped small business grow when they had been struggling before. I'd argue that global stability in the world is better for economic growth than instability. While Obama/Bush were in office we had multiple conflicts, the most recent being north korea. Things were getting heated and Obama warned trump during transition that we might be on the road to war with them. remember the hawaii scare in the first month Trump was in office. Trumps handling of that situation helped calm things down, as much as that sounds strange but strength and negoting power works more than being presidential. Obama/ Biden inherited a bad economy but the recovery was slow and stunted by us looking to negotiate with middle eastern countries that kept us in conflicts(Iran deal). Another thing to note is that the trump adminstration made peace deals between israel and other arabic countries. This is very important because this affects the price of oil globally( which europe depends on). When there is conflict between israel and others oil jumps in price and people feel it everywhere. These arabic countries realized that iran is the bigger threat to them and they no longer had the US by the oil balls so they made a deal for better fighting capability against iran. Obama/Biden made a deal to let iranians keep their nuclear program and we also payed them billions of dollars. Which do you think is more economical? Sorry about the large amount of text but there is a lot of context that has to be given in order to debate effectively. I do want to hear your opinion, maybe I'm missing something.

[–]Jillyjanejan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Aren't you're speaking of the TCJA in terms of it's projected pay-offs rather than the reality? It failed to deliver on the estimations and, after an initial spike, growth started heading south even before the pandemic

[–]Anniesworld 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'm talking about both projected payoffs and reality. I already said why I think tax cuts help the economy in the comment above. What Obama Biden or Bush era policies created this economic growth in the last four years? If you know please enlighten me, and change the way I see it.

[–]Jillyjanejan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Sorry, instead of saying Obama deserves the credit for economic growth what I should have said is Trump doesn't deserve that much credit. That would have been clearer. He just inherited a post-recession economy that was already picking up momentum. It was actually not stunted like you claimed. I'm not trying to change the way you see anything- not everyone who leaves a contrasting opinion wants to enter into a tedious debate. I'm not the debating type so let's just agree to disagree. And I think you should re-examine the after effects of the TCJA.

[–]Anniesworld 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I do think that it is definitely easier riding a wave of slow economic growth and building on that,what trump did, than be president after an awful recession like Obama had. I'm not saying Obama was the absolute worst, I'm saying that the economy is in a stronger position under trump, and the Obama/Biden policies did not do as well as the trump policies.

I will look up more info on the TCJA although I did look it up and saw that the cuts seem to be beneficial more for the middle class and corporations. I saw that they cut some of the ACA programs premium tax credits(insurance subsidy) to be able to make the tax cuts. Which I have idea on how that impacts everyone's tax returns negatively and positively, but I get that you are kinda done with the conversation.

I don't think it's tedious to talk about issues that are important, since we gain knowledge from discussion. I definitely will be looking more in-depth at the trump tax cuts because you brought up a point that is valid,( how impactful have they been) although I still think that principal of tax cuts makes sense for economic growth (long and short term). I learned something from our talk and I enjoyed talking with you.