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[–]bastetkat 40 insightful - 14 fun40 insightful - 13 fun41 insightful - 14 fun -  (8 children)

So this list is mostly just “my male partner sucks in bed... omg am I a lesbian?” 🤦‍♀️ If women are lesbians because their male partners are terrible in bed and can’t orgasm, then most women would be lesbians.

[–]Astrid2448[S] 25 insightful - 4 fun25 insightful - 3 fun26 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

Worst part: this has over 200 upvotes and a bunch of comments saying “omg this is just like me!!”

[–]bastetkat 29 insightful - 1 fun29 insightful - 0 fun30 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Not surprised honestly. When I lurked there the first time, I saw comments admitting that they’re still attracted to men or their husbands. I think it’s safe to assume any subreddit with “lesbian” in it, is in fact, not lesbian. Especially after the purge.

[–]Astrid2448[S] 27 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 0 fun28 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I’m not surprised at this point either, but I am frustrated that bi women are essentially making themselves the ambassadors of a community they’re not even part of. I wish there were more bi people calling it out for what it is.

[–]reluctant_commenter 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Fortunately, it looks like there are some cool ones on s/LGBDroptheT! But it looks like they're getting shouted off reddit if they disagree, too. Have seen some very heavily censored TRA posts in bisexual subreddits.

[–]Gearbeta 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ever been on a bisexual sub on reddit or on shybi? They encourage this type of shit. They legit look down on bi women only interested in dating women and say they should just call themselves lesbians. I've also seen them complain about febfems for being too exclusionary of most bisexual women. Like what? If most bi women are more attracted to dudes/want to date them and febfems are the bi women only interested in dating women then oh well, I guess it excludes most of you then. Or they bitch about lesbians not wanting to date them and then go into great detail about how they ditched a female partner for their current man. I appreciate the sane bis a lot because there is some real trash in mainstream bi spaces.

[–]Astrid2448[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I appreciate them.

[–]blackrainbow 12 insightful - 6 fun12 insightful - 5 fun13 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

"how can you exclude men!!! You are literally Hitler"

[–]Poppy29252 38 insightful - 16 fun38 insightful - 15 fun39 insightful - 16 fun -  (1 child)

I enjoy the sense of power and achievement I feel when a man comes.

Yes all of us lesbians regularly jerk men off until orgasm in order to feel pride and security in our homosexuality. 😬👍

[–]lmaonope333 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

I got that sense of power from giving a man a haircut once. it wasnt sexual at all, i grew up among male family members who never gave a damn if i asked them the tiniest thing so it just felt powerful to twist and turn a man's head whenever i pleased

[–]yayblueberries 41 insightful - 1 fun41 insightful - 0 fun42 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

That sub is full of a bunch of 40-somethings who don't like their (ex-)husbands very much or at all, are mostly still with them in some form, and are not really lesbians but are bi-curious or using women to spite the men they live with. I'm not exaggerating or making that up just to be an asshole. Some of them were actually offended that I never had sex with a man in my entire life. Somehow that's invalidating to them.

I'm only a "late bloomer" in the sense that I didn't ACCEPT my homosexuality because of so much abuse AS A DIRECT RESULT OF IT. NOT because I decided men suck.

[–]CJLez 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm the same as you. Came out late but was never with men. I had such high hopes when I first found that sub but realised quickly that it wasn't for people like me.

[–]yayblueberries 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Seriously, I got to know some of the regular posters there a bit more in-depth and they were all suburban moms, mostly SAHMs, who had lived something like 20 years with one man and had his kids. There is really no way you or I could even relate.

[–]writerlylesbian 37 insightful - 1 fun37 insightful - 0 fun38 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If my crush is nice to me and/or shows any level of reciprocity, I find a way to reject her. I mostly do this in front of other people to really drive the message home. I make it clear to everyone that I am partnered to a man. I notice that it hurts her. It hurts me more.

Wow, deliberately attract a woman to play with her feelings (so you can feel good about yourself/entertain yourself in your boring life), then reject her and hurt her, but YOU'RE the injured party. This is Exhibit A of why lesbians should steer clear of women who are obviously not lesbians.

[–][deleted] 25 insightful - 6 fun25 insightful - 5 fun26 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

“I’m sorry I hurt you baby, but it hurts me more....” sounds familiar. Lol.

[–][deleted] 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

saw this exact situation play out in school when i was a kid, i wasn't even involved & i still remember how messed up it was & how bad we felt for the lesbian, the idea that a grown woman would not only still be playin this game but also thinkin she's the victim is. heartbreaking.

[–]carrotcake 25 insightful - 2 fun25 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

There's only like three things in this whole list that make sense. I always thought that later bloomer bisexuals called themselves lesbians because older generations don't really take bisexuality seriously, but honestly it just feels that these people don't care about lesbians.

For me this one wins the award: "Birthdays, Christmases, holidays, families: I feel as if my life would be less complicated with a woman.". Yeah. Sure. So much less complicated.

[–]Astrid2448[S] 25 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 0 fun26 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

For real. It’s so tone deaf. I’m not even welcome at family occasions BECAUSE I’m a lesbian. But sure, it’s so easy, a lesbian couple is clearly just gal pals + sex with no worries at all.

[–]yousaythosethings 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

As an actual LBL the complication of being gay was exactly what I was apprehensive about. I hate attention. I just wanted to live my life and not stand out or at least not stand out for something other than an accomplishment. Less complicated my ass.

[–]Destresse 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Saaaaaame. I didn't want to see I was a lesbian because I didn't have the mental strength/stability to shoulder the hardships. Drawing attention particularly

[–]yayblueberries 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

With me it would probably be more complicated because I love birthdays and some holidays (you betcha if I can have a huge feast around Thanksgiving, I will).

[–]carrotcake 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I love holidays and family reunions as well! I was trying to be ironic hahahaha these situations are usually so much harder being a lesbian because there's almost no chance your whole family will be 100% ok and open

[–]RedditHatesLesbians 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

All of my family is Polish and I'm sure that if I ever brought a girl home, maybe two members of my family would be accepting. I know I will never come out to any of my grandparents or any of my older family, they'd probably have a heart attack, and even with my cousins and siblings it'll be heavily judged beforehand because of our Catholic upbringing. But yeah, sure. Being a lesbian is soooo easy.

[–]yayblueberries 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm estranged from my family so I don't get to have family reunions at all - ironically very easy!

[–]a_blue_bird 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

For me this one wins the award: "Birthdays, Christmases, holidays, families: I feel as if my life would be less complicated with a woman.". Yeah. Sure. So much less complicated.

But what does that even mean? Is she saying that a woman would be remembering birthdays, cooking Christmas meals etc., so she'd have less work to do, and so it proves she's a lesbian?

[–][deleted] 25 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 0 fun26 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

just dump him sis you don't gotta make up a tragic backstory. i guess they don't wanna be bisexual because then that means they have to stay with the dude, in their minds? lesbian gets 'em off the hook clean. sad for them. as illogical as it may be my "biological impulses" definitely don't involve men lol. praying for these ladies.

[–]SailorMoon2020 25 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 0 fun26 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

This sub reddit is just old timing bisexuals in denial of their bisexualism.

The comment about breeding is interesting. I haven't the desire to breed with a male but do desire to create an off spring with a female. Like in the Sims 4.

You know, in Japan, they've been experimenting with female sperms for a while. Maybe one day, it'll happen.

[–]LilianH 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That was China I think and they were actually semi-successful a couple of years ago with female/female reproduction in rats producing viable offspring but deemed it unsuccessful because they couldn't do male/male reproduction.

https://www.newsweek.com/could-men-become-obsolete-mouse-pups-same-sex-parents-created-chinese-1164377

I'm wary of these types of experiments because so many men seem to think the future development of humanity is to erase women all-together.

[–]SailorMoon2020 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm speaking of the Japanese scientists: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_sperm

Didn't know China also had their own experiments as well going on. But China also lies a lot which is probably why I couldn't find credible sources of them doing it. They always claim but never show proof and/or refuse to.

[–]Astrid2448[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh, plenty of them are young too. Stupidity has no age limit :(

[–]RedditHatesLesbians 20 insightful - 6 fun20 insightful - 5 fun21 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

This is long and repetitive all while not even saying anything, really. It could be shortened to:

Signs You May Be A Lesbian

  1. You experience attraction towards women.

  2. You do not experience attraction towards men. Ever. Yes, all men. Yes, even if you're attracted to one man, you're not a lesbian, Jennifer.

It's really not that hard. I honestly feel all this comphet and latebloomer stuff is mostly nonsense. Yeah some lesbians do experience it, but this is such a stretch. It's not that difficult to judge whether you're a lesbian or not, you definitely don't need 25 pointers.

[–]beholdyourheart 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Man, reading this makes me feel kind of sad actually. Like she's obviously not a lesbian but she probably is bisexual and in a really shitty relationship. A lot of this stuff she's saying I've even heard from straight women too, and it really seems like so many men just straight up don't give a shit about their wife/girlfriend's happiness in the slightest. I hope she's able to get out of that relationship and pursue a relationship with a woman if she wants to, but I just wish she wouldn't co-opt the term lesbian. It's totally okay to be bisexual who wants to only be with women, but if you have any attraction to men at all then you're not a lesbian and saying you are just reinforces the idea that homosexuality is a preference rather than an innate, fixed sexuality. I don't even think it comes from a place of malice for the most part, just ignorance, but I wish we could get across how harmful shit like this can be to us.

[–]TalerTest 29 insightful - 1 fun29 insightful - 0 fun30 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't even think it comes from a place of malice for the most part, just ignorance

I wish this was true, but nah. If you try to call these women out they will erupt. They love calling themselves lesbians, they love it. They are not going to stop and they don't care about how it demeans homosexuality.

[–]Astrid2448[S] 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In fact, they will ban actual lesbians for not validating them enough.

[–]disheveledtomboy 26 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 0 fun27 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I read this list and my immediate thought was: "Please go get some therapy, not foist this shit on a girlfriend."

[–][deleted] 18 insightful - 5 fun18 insightful - 4 fun19 insightful - 5 fun -  (3 children)

I’ve been around long enough to say with no uncertainty that some lesbians can be just as bad at sex than anyone else. Take that numbers 2 and 6.

Edit for stupid missing letter

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

This is true.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

The level of disappointment from when it happened still stings me to the core to this day.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

Memories of cunnilingus past.....

[–]a_blue_bird 18 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I find posts like this and the comphet doc so weird. It's actually very simple. Are you sexually attracted to women? If yes, you are at least bisexual. Are you sexually attracted to men? If yes, you are bisexual, if no, you are a lesbian. That's literally all there is to it, period. If you need to grasp at straws like listed here - because you don't experience the sexual attraction and need to find other 'proofs' - you're most likely not gay.

My male partner doesn't like me dressing slightly masculine. Yet again we see this theme. "My boyfriend sucks! I'm going gay!"

No, no, you misunderstand. She means - ''I wear sneakers sometimes, so I can't be straight, right?? Or wait, maybe I'm straight just not a woman? Wow, life is so magical!''

biologically speaking, the impulse to, well, breed like rabbits, affects all genders and sexual orientations.

Does it though? My impression is that gay men and women don't really have much of an impulse to ''breed'', especially not like rabbits. Might be wrong though.

[–]CJLez 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Am I a Lesbian or just depressed?

I think this is the key here. She's suffering from Grass is Greener syndrome. As soon as she got into a female relationship she'd realise that it isn't all pillow fights and shopping and upbeat musical numbers and that there are chores and bills and arguments just like any heterosexual relationship.

[–]yousaythosethings 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Resident LBL here. I am familiar with this list and I always found it an utter embarrassment. Just awkward, ridiculous, and plain uncomfortable. I believe it was written by someone who left their marriage to what she called an abusive man for a woman, and I think may have married the woman. It reeks of mid-life crisis and lesbian being a lifestyle move.

But yes this list is indefensible and one of the things I saw that made me realize r/latebloomerlesbians was not a good fit for me because for one, I still get along great with my one and only male partner ever/ex-husband. That’s how we were able to be married. Because we were great companions who admired and respected one another. I didn’t leave my marriage because of anything he did or didn’t do and nothing he did or didn’t do factored into my realization and acceptance that I was a lesbian.

[–]Destresse 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The problem lies with that subreddit's name to begin with. It's about late "wlw" bloomer basically, not just lesbians. They make a point of including bisexuals and transwomen, so their masterdoc has to include all these 3 experiences... Which are very different.

The price of inclusivity as always, confusing more and more people.

[–]spirette 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

First, thank you for your commentary because it was spot on and hilarious.

Also: Fucking hell, does every woman now want to be a lesbian these days? WTF. When I was a teenager, I knew I was only attracted to women and I was TERRIFIED. It wasn't a good feeling at all. I came out at 25 and managed not to sleep with a man, let alone marry one.

These pathetic women seem to be all in their heads, fantasizing about a woman who doesn't actually exist, because their marriage sucks. And you just know they are going to go on a dating app and drag lesbians into their mess. That's what enrages me the most: these confused straight women who love dick but realize that men are shit. Yeah, not our problem as lesbians. Stay away from us.

[–][deleted] 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh god that sub is a hot mess. There are some genuine lesbians there who just haven't worked it out yet, or got together with a guy when they were young and naive, and a lot seem to come from conservative backgrounds... some seem totally clueless too. But for every one of those there seems to be another that is bisexual and is talking about how she likes banging her husband or is so in love with her husband but just can't stop thinking about what it would be like to kiss a woman because the spark isn't the same after 8 years of marriage or something. I feel sorry for them, I think after a while they talk themselves into thinking they are gay rather than just addressing the problems in their relationships, or owning up to the fact that in a long term relationships sometimes things just fade a way after a while. I think many haven't considered the fact that they are most likely bisexual and dissatisfied with their relationship. But I suppose it's must less tragic than being a suppressed lesbian for decades.

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

When comphet goes wrong, the sequel. Maybe the prequel to her failed lesbian relationship she will end up having. Lol

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    [–]Astrid2448[S] 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    I am well aware of the social pressures on people, particularly women. I am not asking for everyone to be a gold star and I am not even a gold star myself. I am from an extremely conservative background where I was disowned for being a lesbian. But this article, and latebloomerlesbians in general, is absolutely loaded to the brim with women who are not even remotely lesbians but convince themselves they are or intentionally lie about it. And no, the problem with this article is not that you have to "agree with every point" but that almost every single part of it sounds nothing like a lesbian. The only things I cut from the document were rambling areas from the points above, so don't be disingenuous. That isn't because of social pressure, that is because of the clear attraction to men, upset with bad relationships that have nothing to do with sexuality, and general total lack of understanding of homosexuality. Even look at you here... "well some of them date women!" Yeah, ok, plenty of them don't, and of the ones that do are almost always bisexual women who are attracted to men as well.

    Sure, they can be bisexual, but they are not lesbians if they are reading this post and even kind of thinking that it sounds accurate. They are not lesbians if they read a place like latebloomerlesbians, which is full of women proudly calling themselves lesbians despite being in love with their husband, regularly fucking dudes, having boyfriends, or retaining attraction to men that they choose not to act on. That isn't because they're "late bloomers" and the mean gold stars are putting them down, this is not because people expect you to know everything about everything in the womb. This is because they were never lesbians to begin with. Your reaction to this stuff, and the subreddit latebloomerlesbians in general, makes me seriously doubt that you're a lesbian as well.

    [–]BigMommyMilkers 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    I've also come across women trying to excuse women with husbands calling themselves lesbians on this sub and DropTheT. I don't deny the effect a very conservative religious environment can have on a woman and how she views her sexuality, but this doesn't seem to even be the case in the majority.

    "Most of the lesbians I know personally were married to men at one time. Some had children with those men." No lesbian willingly marries a man and births his children - that's called being bisexual.

    I'll stand by my opinion that most of the women on LBL aren't lesbians, they're just straight/bi women who are tired with men's shit. There's nothing wrong with that - but you're not a lesbian.

    [–]yayblueberries 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    It's not even an opinion, it's pretty much fact. I tried encouraging some of them to read and learn about feminism, because that's really what they were after, not pretending to be lesbians. Nope, they wouldn't have it, feminism BAD pretending to be lesbian to make ex-husband mad GOOD!

    [–]Astrid2448[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I do think it happens occasionally, maybe with some old women especially. But yeah it’s pretty obvious that most of the girls claiming it aren’t

    [–]reluctant_commenter 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Do you have a link, out of curiosity? Much appreciate your running commentary lol, I'm still reading through it.

    [–]Astrid2448[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I’m not sure if it’s allowed to post links but you can find it if you search for “things straight women don’t say” I believe.

    [–]reluctant_commenter 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Oh okay, thank you!!