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[–][deleted] 18 insightful - 4 fun18 insightful - 3 fun19 insightful - 4 fun -  (46 children)

Have you slept with a woman? Since you have basis for comparison now, try that. I hear sex with dudes is pretty disappointing for most women. Lol

But to answer your question, I knew at puberty because I didn’t get crushes on boys despite having loads of guy friends who I got along with well. I would fixate on girls, but also feel quite different from them. I knew there was something there. I thought I just wanted to be “good friends” with them but my body started responding ways that were alarming and not in-line with my concept of friendship.

Edit: sex with a girl confirmed it for me.

[–]oofreesouloo 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (37 children)

I can relate a lot to this. My experience is very similar. Puberty hit and my body responded to women, never to men. And I was like "wait a minute, wasn't I supposed to feel this towards men???" 😂

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (36 children)

My life would have been much easier. Being a huge sci/fi, fantasy, and video game nerd, if I could have bonered for some dudes. But was not in the cards. Being “not like the other girls” was actually very lonely

[–]oofreesouloo 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (35 children)

Yes, I understand. My experience is quite "unique"?!? (I didn't want to use this word, but I don't what other word to use). I don't know. When I was a kid I only had guy friends, I was a tomboy until 9/10 years old but as I got older and older I gradually wanted more and more girl friends 'to relate to'. I always felt 'in the middle' somehow. I'm not exactly like the guys but I'm not exactly like the girls. I felt in the middle. When I realised my sexuality, LOTS of things came into place. Even when I was a tomboy, I was never a 'hardcore' tomboy. I've always loved having long hair and being a 'sensitive' girl. I just liked hanging out with guys. I don't know if I'm making much sense lmao.

[–]yousaythosethings 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You are making perfect sense. That was me too. I liked hanging out with the boys when I was younger pre-puberty. I was tom-boyish but not full-blown too. But then when puberty hit, boys became really foreign to me and I actually lost interest in being around them. I felt like there was a wall up between us because they wanted something from me that I could not give and it felt like I couldn't relate to them anymore. I was late to accept that I was gay but it is a lot easier to interact with men now that I know that this is what the heck is going on with me. It makes it easier to say "hey I'm not interested and never will be because . . ." and sort through men who are actually interested in friendship. Also

Puberty hit and my body responded to women, never to men.

The body knows. I REALLY wish I had listened to my body instead of seeing it as a manifestation of anxiety and something to work on. It would have saved me a lot of time.

[–]oofreesouloo 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Omg, you really do sound a lot like me ahah. As I got older, I became more and more 'uninterested' in being with guys. I felt more and more alienated from them. The opposite happened with girls - I found myself more and more interested in being friends with them and started liking more and more women, in all aspects lmao. I went from thinking 'ugh girls are sooo boring, pink is so ugly' to 'OMG, everything girls and pink, and feminine things PLEASE' 😅 I don't understand myself sometimes XD but it was literally this. (By the way, I'm all for women breaking gender stereotypes, I just happen to be attracted to 'stereotypical' women and I just happen to enjoy 'stereotypical' things)

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (29 children)

Yeah, we really do sort of exist in that odd space between men and women when we are in mostly straight company. It’s definitely specific feeling shared by a lot of gay kids, it’s too bad it takes so long to realize it and be able to express it to others who understand. It made me feel dysphoria, even. The closest person to me that sort of understood was autistic. They know they are not really fitting into their social role well, but for them they don’t even know what that means sometimes, i pretty much knew what I was failing to live up to. It’s like being on the outside and looking in

[–]oofreesouloo 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (28 children)

Yes, you described it perfectly. As we are mostly in straight company many times, we feel in that odd space you describe. I still do on a daily basis. But the difference is that when I was a kid I couldn't understand why (I didn't even think much about it tbh) and now I do. It can be really confusing to young kids and teens feeling 'out of place' and not realising why. I've never felt dysphoria though. Despite me realising I was 'different', I've always felt a 'likable' person in general. So, I wasn't an outcast exactly, as in a 'freak'. Women never thought I was 'weird', men never thought I was 'weird' either. Women liked that I treated them in such a 'special' way and that I was trustworthy. Men liked that I had similar interests to them and that I kind of 'get' them in a way. This was me 10-13 years old. Then, I started to have less and less guy friends and practically only girl friends.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (27 children)

People would always like me, but they would make comments like “you’re weird.” I am not sure if it was from being gay or from being very smart as a kid. Being a smart kid is isolating. I just learned to act like a dumb class clown, it stopped me from getting made fun of because when you’re a funny idiot other kids feel good around you and don’t find ways to tear you down.

I went opposite to you when I hit puberty. I found it easier to chill with dudes after puberty because they can be pretty simple and I was so tongue tied with women. If guy friends are being arseholes you can just outright tell them to fuck right off and they DO. LOL. I couldn’t speak to women like that because I was soft toward them. I found it much harder to have close female friends until I met a real bitch, who was super straight, and she became my best buddy. I made another best female friend who was bi and that was really complicated because I think I was in love with her and tailed her like a super loyal attack dog that turned into a slobbering Labrador whenever she smiled at me. Ridiculous.

Sometimes I think men treat women less shitty than they do other guys because they feel softness toward them. Lol. I know we tend to write it off as basic sexism, but i honestly have such a hard time even getting mean words out toward a woman. It’s like I can’t get it out. An ex screamed at me and there were a million things I could have said that would have just crushed her and I couldn’t bring myself to do it.

[–]oofreesouloo 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

Being a smart kid is isolating.

Yes, I also understand that, probably more than you might think lmao. My mom thought I was autistic as a child because when I was really a child I liked very specific alone activities such as puzzles, drawing, etc. And I paced around alone A LOT, really focused in my own thoughts (I still do this, which I find quite shameful to be honest, I never tell this in public lmao you don't know me so that's fine haha). She also thought that because when I focused on something, I reaaaaaally focused on it and once my primary teacher had to call me several times loudly in order for me to listen to her and I was so focused I didn't listen 😬 (my mom told me this, I don't remember). BUT I was really lucky because I happened to be in the best class in primary school. And the same people from my class there moved to the same middle and high school as me aaaaaaand we were the best class at those school too. The other students used to talk sh*t about us, that we were the 'cocky nerds'. The best teachers would choose our class too because of that. So, I had the luck to be around at least average or high intelligent people most of the time.

"I went opposite to you when I hit puberty." - Yep, based on what you've written you literally are the opposite lmao. Actually, I find you lucky that you can relate to guys easily... At least you have people to talk about women and girls with... I don't. I REALLY struggle to make guy friends, I just cannot understand them. On the other hand, it's REALLY easy for me to make female friends. So basically I'm ALWAYS around straight women OR gay guys. And that's another reason why I feel always out of place, I'm always the black sheep... Oh, and I do not have a problem telling a woman to f*ck off haha. I only have a problem with that IF I'm in love with that woman. When I'm in love, yes, I struggle A LOT to tell her to fuck off 😖

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

I never talked about women with men, and still don’t, because they think it’s an invitation to be gross and show me nude pics of tinder women etc. Be treated like “one of the guys” can be a disturbing glimpse into the straight guy world. Lol. They know not to do this with me, or I don’t chill with guys who act like that.

I find a lot of straight women to be very man-focused and I get bored around them. My eyes glaze over listening to it. If it’s general relationship stuff it’s fine, but lots of them complain about their boyfriends but never actually tell their boyfriends they are doing anything wrong. The guys I know talk about more subjects that are not about their partners so that’s easier to get excited about, for me. I think the way straight people are raised is just so odd. So many women seem to focus their entire beings on male approval so they almost don’t have as many interests sometimes. I can have a whole conversation about themes in film or video games or comic books with dudes and they don’t start talking about looks or their gfs. Lol.

I was in some gifted classes but quit because I didn’t want the other kids to think I was different

[–]oofreesouloo 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

I never talked about women with men, and still don’t

Oh okay, my bad. In that case, I guess we're 'in the same page'.

I find a lot of straight women to be very man-focused and I get bored around them.

they don’t start talking about looks or their gfs.

You can say that about straight women, just as I can say a lot of straight men are very sports focused and only think about sex (at least in my country, this is the case for LOTS of straight men). For me, watching sports and/or hearing about sports is the most BORING thing on earth. Dude, I HONESTLY don't give a crap how many scores Jonathan Drew made, or how many home runs Michael Smith made. Despite me loving PLAYING sports, I HATE watching sports and/or talking about it (which is something MANY straight guys seem to fixate on and that I PERSONALLY think it's very dull)

So, this is to say - it depends on how you look at things AND what things you enjoy. I know plenty of interesting straight women. I know plenty of interesting straight men. But I also know plenty of boring boring/stupid/gross/dull people from both sides.

In my opinion, you're being unfair to straight women :P There are several straight women that I find very interesting and that have plenty of different interests and don't spend the time thinking about guys. It's true though that many tend to talk about guys once in a while, BUT I'm like that as well but with women. So I'm biased. I talk to them about my woman crushes. We're different.

Talking about looks might be boring and stupid FOR YOU, but for me it isn't. For me, going shopping buying some clothes is fun as hell. For you, it can be the most boring thing on Earth and a waste of time. I'm biased again, but you seem biased too :P

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    [–]oofreesouloo 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

    Dude you're a pace thinker too??

    I AM!!! You too? I'm a pace thinker especially with music. I can without as well, but 95% of the time I need the music. Are you this 'type' as well? 😂

    I must look like an insane person to a stranger.

    I knooooow! I'm so afraid to tell this if I ever get into a reeeeally serious relationship with a woman. I swear I'm not crazy! 😅

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      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Unless she’s really provoking me I just can’t. I don’t even yell. I had an ex who said I was terrifying when I am angry, but I definitely don’t raise my voice so I am not sure what it was.

      If some woman is threatening my friends or someone, I get physically in the middle, but don’t escalate things. It’s different anger when someone I care about is being threatened. If anyone ever threatened my niece I would lose it, but probably only then

      [–]CherryLatchmere[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      Okay I feel I can relate to this. Only guy friends as a child - loved football, Pokémon, 'boy' books, all of that - but when I hit puberty I wanted girl friends to talk about deep stuff with, lol. I feel like I was emotionally sensitive, I just hated some stereotypically 'girly' things. I kinda wanted the girls to treat me like a boy, but not exactly?? I'm explaining it weirdly, but yeah, I think I know what you mean!

      [–]oofreesouloo 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      OMG, are you a COPY of me? Seriously? "Only guy friends as a child - loved football" - YES. "Pokémon" - YES. I'm crazy about Pokemon since childhood, I'm currently playing the new one - Sword and Shield - and I'm freaking 22 years old 😂 I have practically all pokemon games "'boy' books" - This one not so much. I liked 'boy toys'. For example, I HATED dolls, and liked cars.

      "but when I hit puberty I wanted girl friends to talk about deep stuff with, lol." - YEEEEEEEEEEES "I feel like I was emotionally sensitive, I just hated some stereotypically 'girly' things." - YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES "I kinda wanted the girls to treat me like a boy, but not exactly??" - YEEEEEEEEEES 😂 Exactly! I know perfectly what you mean!!! Like, I sometimes acted more 'masculine' and more like a 'gentleman' because I wanted women to treat me like they treat boys, but I didn't want to actually be a boy. I just wanted to be treated the way, in that special treatment, they treated boys 😂 When I realised I was a lesbian, I never acted masculine never again, because I realised I do NOT have to act masculine in order to have women's attention 😍 (I did it subconsciously)

      I think we're twins. 😅

      [–]CherryLatchmere[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Haha, that's crazy - we absolutely might be long-lost twins :D

      [–]CherryLatchmere[S] 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (7 children)

      I haven't! The most intense crush I've ever had was on this girl a few years older than me - I knew her from some mutual friends, and we got talking for a bit. We were out at the same bar together, and ended up kissing - it was like fireworks man, honestly lol. I was gonna go home with her but got dragged somewhere else with some of my friends (I regret going with them now lol) and I've just not had any luck/met any women since. Really need to get myself out there, I'm almost worrying I'm too old to be so inexperienced (I'm 21)

      I know what you mean about the fixation on girls, for sure

      [–]VioletRemi 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      21 is very young! I was near that old when slept with a women for the first time, after 3 years of marriage on a man. However, even just a kiss was enough to realize it is absolutely different than with man.

      [–][deleted] 8 insightful - 7 fun8 insightful - 6 fun9 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

      Jesus Christ. You’re 21. Get it. That’s not old. Go get laid

      [–][deleted] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      I didn’t come out until I was 27. There is no set time to come out.

      It takes some of us less time and some of us longer to accept that we are lesbians.

      [–]yousaythosethings 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Go find that girl if you know her from mutual friends! You are not old in the slightest.

      [–]CherryLatchmere[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      You know, I totally would...but she's married now!

      [–]hufflepuff-poet 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      I was just thinking about this today! My coming out journey was a pretty long and difficult road, but I'm just now starting to embrace the ups and downs of it all and be at peace with my path.

      I realized I liked girls when I was 15 and I came out briefly to my family and friends but my family didn't take it well at all and I was already struggling at school with being bullied and feeling out of place and I hadn't met any girls that I had feelings for at the time (looking back I definitely had a huge crush on my best friend freshman year til like junior year..) so it just seemed like being out wasn't worth it so I went back in the closet. I then spent the better part of the next decade hating myself and punishing myself for my sexuality and repressing my feelings for other women til my early 20s. One day I just got tired of hating myself so I started saying I was "not straight" and stopped entertaining guy's in my dating life. I started going to my local Pride parade and volunteering every year, first under the guise, I just wanna help and then to it's nice to be around other "queer" people (at the time that was as comfortable as I was in admitting my sexuality) then I started using tinder and I set it to men and women but would always swipe no on guys, then I set it to just women and I met a non-binary woman (🙄 I cringe at some of the dumb stuff I said to validate her gender feels lol she was one of those extra tumblry "folxs") and we became really good friends but I never told her I had feelings for her.

      Then I transferred to university and was "out" to all my friends as being exclusively same-sex attracted but I was uncomfortable using the word lesbian for myself until I met this woman at my job my senior year.

      She was an out and proud lesbian and the first lesbian I had ever met that I related to and we became real good friends and I fell for her. Hard. I would wake up and she would send me good morning snaps and I'd lay there and think about how much I wanted to kiss her and be able to wake up with her and I had never really let myself feel that or see myself being with a woman sexually, especially a lesbian woman despite knowing I was attracted to women.

      But when I thought about her and I, I had never felt more right. She would call herself a lesbian and dyke and teasingly call us the "dyknamic duo" and the more time I spent with her, the more I started to like the word lesbian and using it for myself, and I started saying I was a lesbian. I told her how I felt about her and she didn't feel the same and we're not friends anymore sadly but I'll always be glad for the role she played in helping me embrace my lesbianism and she's still someone I admire alot. So yeah, now I'm 26 and a proud out lesbian, came out to both of my parents within the last year and started dating women openly and it's been awesome. Now I'm just trying to find a girlfriend to pour all these years of repressed lady love into!

      It really does get better. To all you baby lesbians and late bloomers, we all take our own path to loving women and only women and embracing that part of ourselves, good luck to all my sisters!

      Edit: I am so sorry for this novel!!

      [–]CherryLatchmere[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Don't apologise for the novel! Glad you're out, proud, and happy!

      [–]Fuckyoucensorship 13 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

      It went like this.

      I was raised christian, and raised staunchly no sex before marriage. Never had a sex ed course until senior year. That type.

      So naturally I took a pledge for purity. In fact I went one step further and promised to keep my first kiss for the alter. All the adults were in awe. Said I was holy, how my husband was lucky. I even saw how much the other girls were struggling with it and I thought, WOW thank god I dodged that temptation bullet.

      Then one day, when I was fantasizing about some girl I was interested in, it clicked.

      [–]Jaded 7 insightful - 6 fun7 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

      Such a pure soul...

      Purely homosexual, that is.

      [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

      THEN WHAT HAPPENED?! did you have an illicit affair? Tellllllll ussssssss

      [–]Fuckyoucensorship 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      I don't really kiss 'n tell, but I will say that it was probably better for everyone else that I wasn't out in highschool...

      [–][deleted]  (3 children)

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        [–]yousaythosethings 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        Despite all this, I was still unable to admit to myself that I'm a lesbian. It just seemed so...not me (sorry, i don't know how to explain).

        I think I know what you mean. I never had a problem with gay people, not even for a minute even though I have a decade on you and grew up at a time where there was not widespread acceptance for gay rights, but the idea that I was "one of them" seemed kind of ridiculous. I felt like if I was open about my attraction to women I would be viewed as a poser and that if I were really gay, I would definitely know and "feel gay" and it would be obvious. I had all of the gay feelings, but I assumed that I just felt different than actual gay people did. When I realized that's just what being gay felt like, and all it meant was that my attraction was to the same sex and not the opposite sex and that internally that felt normal and natural, my mind was blown.

        [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

        I wish there was a competitive sex sport, lesbians would WIN

        [–]Jaded 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        It seems like you already know for a fact that you're attracted to women, so I'm going to focus instead on the other factor that makes a woman a lesbian-- zero attraction to men.

        One night stands are a pretty terrible way to judge if you enjoy sex with men or not. I've never been with one, but the understanding I have from straight and bisexual women is that short-term sex with male partners is almost always awful. Enjoyable sex seems to mostly proceed fron long-term partners.

        Were you genuinely attracted to these men? Regardless of whether the sex itself sucked or not, did foreplay with them excite you? Did you initially look forward to sex? Or did you instead feel pressured to give in to their advances, or were you feeling low self esteem and needed to feel desired or wanted? Did you agree to sex because you're "supposed to?" Alternatively were you under the influence of drugs or alcohol and therefore unable to consent, in which case what happened was not sex but rape.

        These are just some guiding introspective questions to think on while you figure things out. And remember it's possible (and okay!) to be a bisexual woman who is primarily attracted to women, or even a febfem (female-exclusive bisexual female) that consciously chooses to not date men whether for personal or feminist reasons.

        As an aside, I've always known I'm a lesbian but the male body and physiology doesn't inherently bother me at all (though for some lesbians it does). Though I'm anti hardcore porn now, I used to occasionally use porn especially during puberty. Before I discovered there was lesbian porn I was stuck watching heterosexual porn and would focus exclusively on the woman. Whenever the video ever went to the guy I would lose interest, and I hated when videos cut to guys performing oral on women because that meant I was forced to look at some male's face and I would instantly lose any arousal I had and feel disgusted by it.

        Heterosexual kissing scenes and sex scenes in movies and television don't bother me at all unless the romance is shoddy or the scene serves no point to the narrative. Interestingly though, simple nonsexual scenes where a topless guy wraps his arms around a woman and holds her close completely grosses me out, which admittedly seems kind of weird since I'm fine with the other stuff. I guess it seems more intimate and "real" so my reaction is real.

        [–]CherryLatchmere[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Oh, yup...alcohol was involved in every experience. I don't feel taken advantage of, because they were super drunk too (and very kind and considerate, the sex just wasn't great lol) but I wouldn't do it again. I mean, I'm saying it as if it was a singular occasion, but that links me to the next part of your post - it was certainly a feeling of low self-esteem, if I'm being honest with myself. I do get a bit depressive after drinking; hence why I've cut back on my drinking massively. I really had to look at myself and the reasons behind sleeping with these guys to come to terms with that.

        That's interesting about the non-sexual scenes, and it definitely makes sense. I think with those scenes I kinda just feel nothing. Straight romance rarely seems to excite me in that way. Everyone I know loved 'Normal People' - and don't get me wrong, I liked it - but rather from the angle of, 'oh, it's interesting to watch these people grow up and navigate life' rather than 'omg yes best couple ever!!'

        [–]Kimaris 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Around 4. I didn't know the word since I was a kid, but that's when I started getting crushes on girls. I would always try to impress them with silly stuff. I only found out later that I'm what they call a lesbian and that lesbians often get hurt and disowned because of it. I was a happy kid till I found that out. It took me a while to be ok with it (though I still was very out, outside the house). I'm afraid I can't relate to the sleeping with guys part but I know that some lesbians takes a while to figure things out though. For me I've been this way since I could remember. 100% homo and I'm glad.

        [–]SailorMoon2020 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        Op, I feel ya.

        I lost my virginity at 21 to a man. I was in denial about my sexuality. Although I didn't realize it until I got older(high school senior year), the girls I had positive happy feelings for in elementary school or in my CCD class was because I actually liked them, and even would flirt with them.

        I didn't want to accept myself though due to my faith in religion. I didn't want to accept myself because of the negative stigma lesbians had that didn't seem to go beyond Jerry Springer.

        Once I began to have relationships including sex with males, I felt nothing...with men, it was nothing, no emotion, no love, no arousal, no desire, no want. I would feel empty with men, lonely, and wrong.

        Men offered security though because of societal expectations so I pushed through with men, but still, I'd felt empty, lonely, lost, unaroused, no desire, no wanting.

        Finally, I said, " I'm gay"...still young, I formed relationships with females and these women had me yearning, longing, wanting, desiring them even more. I didn't feel empty, lost, nor lonely with women. I was happy and felt complete.

        Op, if what I said describes your situation above then you could be in denial and gay, a lezzie.

        [–]CherryLatchmere[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        I think I understand the feelings you're describing with men. I love my guy friends to pieces, but I've never felt that sort of connection with a guy. Like, if I have a crush on someone, I want to be around them all the time. The guys I've met, I can't imagine sitting and talking to them and feeling simultaneously excited yet serene. It's odd, idk.

        [–]piylot 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        I could type a lot about the little moments I had hints I was attracted to women and not men, and the reasons I dismissed them, the short of it was I first realised I was attracted to girls when I was 10, but was about 18-19 when I started to take those feelings seriously. 18 when I first used the word gay/lesbian, but largely as an easy way to not have to entertain guys who chatted me up at nightclubs, it was probably in the next year - two years that it hit me that this was really how I'd live the rest of my life, after assuming I'd eventually marry a man from a young age, it always seemed like that's what everyone did. I've never had a relationship or sex with a man, so I didn't have your dilemma of questioning if I was into those experiences or not. I actually used to doubt myself more, for the fact I've heard so many straight/bi women describing how they weren't initially attracted to their bf but grew to be over time.

        The main thing I think is useful to consider is that you don't have to be able to prove you're 100% gay, or 100% incapable of having strong enough feelings for a man for you to choose to exclusively date women, whether that's permanently or just for the time being. Everyone is just pursuing people who catch their interest and seeing if it works out.

        [–]a_crow 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

        Furthest memory is in 2nd grade. Had a huge crush on this girl. Always wanted to have her attention. Gave her a piggy back once, I was so happy lol.

        Came out at 23 after knowing my whole life. Built up the courage and finally did it. Def had to do it on my own terms. Once it happened, the mental strain was over.

        [–]Dykexmachina 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Realized I liked girls when I was about 5, hated myself and denied/ignored it, tried as hard as I could to be with a man instead, couldn't do it, didn't come out til I was 23. I'm 30 now.

        [–]writerlylesbian 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        As a teenager. This was the 90s, so I was super into shows like Xena, Star Trek Voyager etc. and had a lot of crushes on the female characters that I didn't exactly recognise/admit to being crushes at the time. When Xena starting going all-in on the lesbian subtext between Xena and Gabrielle, I absolutely LOVED it, but had to pretend I didn't, lol, since I was in a fairly small homophobic town. I'd be all, oh yeah, that's so gross, how could they do that? And then be glued to the screen every Saturday with just this...Intense longing to have that kind of relationship with another woman.

        About aged 16 I completely fell in love with one of my female friends and was just crazy sexually attracted to her. I'd never felt anything for guys (and if anything found them fairly off-putting physically) so it was pretty undeniable to me at that point what was happening. For whatever reason, I accepted it pretty easily (I think because I was never very invested on fitting in) and sort-of ended up getting together with this girl for a while, but it all ended tragically of course.

        Got kind-of outed in school but didn't get much bullying because I stood up for myself a lot and that scared them off for the most part, didn't come out to my parents because my home situation wasn't great, finished school and got the hell out and then came out properly in the big, wide world. There was an actual functional LGB movement in those days, so that was nice.

        [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        Did you have a crush on Tasha Yar from TNG? Christ, what a babe. And Xenia, omg what a babe.

        [–]writerlylesbian 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Yes! Tasha Yar, ah, the memories. IKR? As cheesy and ridiculous as it was, Xena was such an amazing character/show for the time. It's just so funny thinking back on what a little hypocrite I was, nodding along and making disgusted noises about how they ruined a show with LESBIANS and then being secretly so into it, haha. I was only like 14/15 at the time so it's completely forgivable, but still makes me laugh when I think about it.

        [–]blackrainbow 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        When I was 4 I kissed one of my girl friends on the lips. Unfortunately, my parents found out. They scolded me so hard that I felt ashamed FOR YEARS when I thought about it. :( So, after that, I tried to bury deep down my feelings for other girls. I thought that something was wrong with me because I've always had strange tastes with guys and I didn't like anyone enough.

        I realized and acknowledged it when I kissed another girl, but this time at 14. I had like an instant epiphany ahahah! Anyway, accepting myself completely took a long time though...

        [–]yousaythosethings 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

        You said you're 21, so you're still very young. I think it may be easier to focus on raw sexual attraction first. It took me a lifetime to realize that I could be in a romantic relationship with a woman. I had basically no examples in my life, so it's not even something I considered even though I knew I found women so attractive. So, without further ado, here are a few questions for you:

        When you think of the hottest person in high school, who comes to mind? When you think of the hottest celebrity, who comes to mind? When you walk down the street and are out and about, do you pay special attention to women? Or to both men and women? Do you wonder what guys are thinking, or just women? Do male and/or female bodies arouse you? When you think of THE most attractive body, what comes to mind? What sex is that person? What body parts do you think of? When you think of someone with an attractive voice, who comes to mind? Do you feel a special warmth when you interact with women but not men? When your female friends show you pictures of guys they're interested in or try to talk up how attractive they are, what are your thoughts? Do you constantly wonder what all of your female friends see in the guys they date even even when there are no obvious red flags? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

        For me, especially post-puberty I was always drawn to girls/women. I was interested in them in ways I wasn't in boys/men. Others in this thread mention having a "fixation" and I definitely experienced that. I would feel so much warmth and excitement towards women, always taking careful notice of the women around me including small and very specific details of their appearance. When I go outside, my eyes are always drawn to the women around me. I was attracted to and always thinking about female bodies in ways that I was never with men. Every time one of my (female) friends would show me a picture of a guy they were interested in, all I could think was "that's a guy." I was interested in female celebrities only. To the extent I am ever interested in being around a guy, it's purely based on sense of humor, intellect, having good conversation, etc. My attraction to being partnered with a man was limited to security, companionship, respect, and admiration, and not sexual attraction.

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        I barely even see guys or remember them, especially if a woman is nearby, I didn’t realize it was a lesbian type thing. Like, I hardly notice guys I don’t know. If I am on a walk or something I only really register their existence when they are weird, threatening, or doing something unusual.

        [–]yousaythosethings 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        I didn't know this was a thing before either but it was so extreme and persistent for me that it was one of the big things that made me realize I needed to figure out my sexual orientation because it didn't feel right being partnered with a guy but walking around in the world never noticing men, not being able to register or remember their faces or basic facts about their appearance, and being utterly disinterested other than thinking that a guy was standing too close, seemed potentially threatening, or had on a cool outfit. Meanwhile my mind was like woman, woman, hot woman, woman, super hot woman, woman, woman, holy shit hot woman, woman, I love her outfit, woman, I wish I had her butt . . . on my body . . . or in my bed, I'll just let this woman walk in front of me . . . .

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        Lol.........I let women walk in front of me all the time. Hahahahahaha on purpose. But then I get a mighty thirst.

        This woman I worked with used to construct horrible thirst traps for me. She would walk over to some random spot in the studio and bend over and examine things on the floor or rummage etc, and it was so distracting. She knew what she was doing too.

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        I named it “guy blindness” and joked about it with a male buddy because he would describe men we work with and I fucking forget them all but remember the most minute of details about women. Like their life stories, and foods they liked or didn’t like, almost anything they said about themselves. The only men I remember are gay or cool artist guys.

        Edit: a guy could walk past me with a girlfriend and my buddy would ask me a question about the guy, less than 2 minutes later and I would be like “who?” but remember the woman. Lol

        [–]CherryLatchmere[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        Thank you, those questions were actually super helpful. When I think of attractive people, I do think of guys as well - but, like, celebrities like Chris Hemsworth. When I think of people who I've actually liked, they've been women: I remember in school, I had a crush on this girl in my class, and I used to almost get embarrassed when she walked in the room. I couldn't even look at her, I was that attracted to her. I thought she was perfect. I couldn't vocalise these feelings, though, because I didn't know where to begin and everyone was operating under the assumption that everyone else was straight. I've never really met a guy irl who I wanted to date; and definitely, the guys my friends are head-over-heels in love with, I'm kinda like, eh. You do you, but I don't get why you want to spend every minute of every day with this man.

        As a teenager, I was really obsessed with Ellen Page (LOL, should've known I was at least bi then) and all my fixations have been with female celebs. Like I said, I think Chris Hemsworth is hot, but...I dunno, I've never gotten obsessed with him to the extent where I'd watch all his interviews and actually daydream about him, like I have done with female celebrities. As a young teenager, I liked guys, but I think I liked the attention and companionship more than anything. I liked guy stuff: I didn't have female friends, not really, 'till I was around 14. I think maybe I did have crushes on female friends: I would look at my timetable to see if we were in the same classes; I tried to make them laugh, like, a lot.

        From all of this, it probably does sound obvious?! I think my issue is I seem to develop all-encompassing crushes on women, but not on men, if that makes sense; however, I do think some male bodies are attractive. I just don't know how I feel about dating them, or sleeping with them. I suppose, though, that's the crux of the issue.

        [–]yousaythosethings 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

        That reminds me of me when I was younger, so yea I'm not getting sexual attraction to men from what you're saying. But you can also just try to exclusively pursue women and see how that feels.

        And hahaha Chris Hemsworth. True story, a few months ago I came upon a picture of Chris Hemsworth holding a koala who had been rescued from a forest fire in Australia and I thought for a quick second, "He looks attractive here. . . wait do I like men now?" lol. He didn't exactly captivate my mind or make me feel aroused. I closed my browser and looked no further into him and thought no further about him and this is probably the first time I've thought about him since then. I think that even though I often have "fruit blindness," I can recognize that Chris Hemsworth is an especially attractive guy and I might even think that if I saw him in real life, but I would also have no desire to engage physically with him or even to think more about it or look further into it. I wouldn't go into fantasizing mode and certainly not fantasy mode where I imagine getting any sexual pleasure from him.

        It's no mystery to me why women were/are super into men like Brad Pitt, Pierce Brosnan, and David Beckham. But I also have no desire to think further about them other than acknowledging the simple fact that for men, they are good looking. Being gay doesn't mean you don't have eyes. That being said, most men that the media tries to convince me are heartthrobs are both not appealing and not interesting. I was never into teenage heartthrob stuff when I was younger. I liked some boy bands in elementary school (mostly Backstreet Boys and to a lesser extent N'SYNC) but I didn't find myself attracted to the guys in them. I just liked the music lol.

        In contrast, with attractive female celebrities/women IRL I'll want to know everything about them, look at a bunch of photos of them, see what they look like glammed up, what they look like when they're casual. I pretty much study and really take in how they look and how they spend their time. There are a million things I can say about what makes them attractive. I become captivated and fascinated by them and fantasize about them in sexual scenarios where we both give each other pleasure. It definitely hits verrrry differently.

        [–]CherryLatchmere[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Haha, I think Chris Hemsworth is just too aesthetic to ignore! His proportions, man.

        Yeah, people like Zac Efron, Jamie Dornan, Channing Tatum...they do nothing for me, zilch. I was the same as you, I was into 'guys' to the extent that I liked their music, or books, lol.

        Hm, maybe I should get myself back on Tinder and change my settings.

        [–]midnight305 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        2010 or even eailer than that , but because being gay Is such a "sin". I tried to convince myself I was straight so dated guys . After high school I was raped a few times. Tried to convince myself that i didnt like it because of endometriosis.

        But then i realized i dont like guys private parts , I hated sex with them , it did nothing for me.

        This was around the time I started saying I was bi..around 2005.

        Then after i broke up with my bf in 2010 after i realized he was bad for me and kept disappearing 3 months at a time . I realized I'm just a lesbian.

        So here i am still looking for a gf for over 10 years now.

        Thing is I was mostly raised by a mostly guy family so I guess I just dont know how to talk to girls. shrugs

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