Taking Wealth From Those Who Work Hard

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[–]Captzapheart 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Much of the research that's behind the Corona Vax is publicly funded, but somehow belongs to Bill Gates which he now what to charge the public for, capitalism.... Sometimes you gotta hate it.

[–]Canbot 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

That is not Capitalism, it is corruption. Next you are going to blame capitalism for grand theft auto because it happened in a capitalist country. This is all equally illogical.

Publicly funded research is SOCIALISM/COMMUNISM, not capitalism. Every single publicly funded research project is controlled by someone, that goes for everything under socialism/communism. There are those in power and those at their mercy. No "equal" citizen under socialism/communism can go live in the leader's mansion, or take the presidential limo out for a spin. There are always haves and have nots. Only under capitalism is everyone equally allowed to be a have.

[–]Captzapheart 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

you are right, it is corruption. It does however go on openly within capitalist jurisdictions and for many decades, if you check out the story of Aron Swartz (one of the designers of this platforms format) he attempted to reveal publicly funded research to the public and found out how deep this coruption goes, unfortunaly to his own detriment. I'm sorry but I won't be drawn into this "can you pee higher under capitalism, socialism or Communism" as they all clearly have pros and cons.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Where is the publicly available research that is provided by communist and socialist societies? It is also paid for by "the pubic". Have you ever tried being as critical of your ideology as you are of capitalism? From what I have seen the bigger the government the bigger the corruption. As much as there is a separation of church and state there should be an even greater separation of business and state. The state should exist to protect everyone's individual right to conduct buisness as freely as possible. Those who can will do, and those who can't will benefit by proximity. It is not for the state to undo the inequalities of genetics, birthright, or luck. That is a power that will never, ever be wielded as intended.

I won't be drawn into this "can you pee higher

That is literally the only conversation to have because there is no perfect system, therefore the best we can do is to pick the best system. If that is not a conversation you are interested in having then you should not use the world capitalism, let alone talk shit about it. What you are doing is picking a fight you can't win and then running away.

[–]Captzapheart 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

what I think is interesting about this story is that it highlights the coruption with both private and public or as you've been taught to think of it "capitalist and communist",you cannot see this as you are too far in the hole. There come a point when someone is so militant and set, that conversing is pointless. You are one such person, your manner is crude and belligeren, your knowlage limited. I've heard you song many times so there is little you can enlighten me to, and you don't seem interested in my point of view, so why waste each other's time, if you came across as less militant, fundamentalist or straight up mad, of course I would love to engage in political discord. It is on these ground that I deny a basic political conversation with you, In short, you should chill the f*ck out, and stop believing everything you are being told by right wing think tanks .... Perhaps even take a little time to learn to think for yourself and how to talk to people.... Sincerely.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

you cannot see this as you are too far in the hole

When people disagree with you it's not because "they just can't see the truth", it's because you are wrong. Stop coping and accept reality.

I've heard you song many times

Yet you still don't have a valid response; instead you literally just hand wave away everything with childish accusations of ignorance. There is not a single thing you have said that I don't understand and can't explain why you are wrong. You on the other hand have made zero actual arguments here, though I suspect you think you have; instead you wrote all of this as an ad hominem. Do better.

[–]Captzapheart 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Okay, I'll try. Governments do not have their own money, the raise money through taxation. Here in the UK and proberly in the US universities will apply to government for fund for research. So governments through universities will do most of the initial R&D into new tech, this is then most likely to be appropriate by the security services and military and then sold on to the corporate sector as the properties of the Intel (security sevices) community or military sector. Companies like InQtel and DARPA, even these two entities although are private companies they still get government grants ( public funds). Which brings me to my original point, if the amount of private investment in the covid Vax is thought to be 2%, so why is 100% of the profits going into private pockets....why? I don't see your problem, as a tax payer this is a reasonable question.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I agree that publicly funded research should come with a requirement that profits get paid back into the government. That is something we can improve on. However, that is not a pro-commnist argument. That is not a pro anything argument. When you make that argument as an insinuation that a different system would be better you are lying. No system can ever have open research because then every other country will just steal all that research and then spend their money literally advancing past the suckers who made theirs freely available. The discussion to be had here is how profitable is it to the tax payers to fund research for companies that then pay taxes? How can we create a watchdog system to make sure benefits are returned to the tax payers? Those are fair discussions. Not "hur dur capitalism is bad do communism".

[–]Captzapheart 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I never said it was an argument for communism,there are very powerful arguments in favour communism, but that wasn't one of them. And thanks for the almost civil response.