Taking Wealth From Those Who Work Hard

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[–]EndlessSunflowers[S] 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (116 children)

I mean, seriously, anyone who thinks that someone has ever EARNED a Billion $, you're a sucker! lol

[–]EndlessSunflowers[S] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (60 children)

They straight up exploit other people. Period.
For their shallow, meaningless, materialism....

[–]Zapped 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (58 children)

How would have the product or service been produced? People who have never tried to run a business often underestimate how difficult of a skill set it takes to produce on a large scale. Of course the business leader/owner can't do all the work themselves, but they manage the operation and people and do a lot of work that most people never see. To add to their skill set, most business owners work up to double the hours of their employees until they get to a place where the business starts to "run itself".

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (43 children)

This doesn't justify anything, nor does it fit the reality of billionaires. You speak of millionaires, people who throw themselves into their self-made businesses to the detriment of their personal lives. My parents have done this. They work very hard to have their million dollars.

Billionaires are an entirely different beast, and you shouldn't try to employ shitty logic to justify their massive wealth.

[–]Zapped 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (38 children)

Are you saying that the billionaires didn't work hard for their wealth? Should people let their bank account get to a certain size and then walk away, waiting who knows how long for someone else to figure things where they left off and help propel commerce and technology, and by extension, society? If the value in what they produce wasn't there, they wouldn't make that much. Not everyone can be a Bill Gates or an Elon Musk, just like everyone can't be a Michael Jordon or a Michael Phelps.

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (33 children)

You argue like a highschool economics teacher. Billionaires never work for every dollar they have. It is impossible.

Value is fixed. Our monetary systems are rigged. There are natural reasons and foundations for our value system, but it is rigged. You can try to argue otherwise, but I have seen it and experienced it. At the end of the day, you play the game by their rules, and you make it. To play the game and win, you'd have to either be 100 % uncorruptible, or you'd have to be ignorant of true morality. You and I don't know of any uncorrupted billionaire. They may exist, but I highly doubt it. The rich moral folks have millions, not billions.

I wouldn't want to be like Elon or Bill, or either of the Michaels. They have no real skills and are so disconnected from reality, it isn't even funny. What horrible examples to try to use.

Is this really your argument? That we need money to make progress? That folks like Bill and Elon are hard workers?

Bull shit. I'm not some liberal bitch, either. My parents are top dog breeders/trainers, we make great money, and we all work very hard.

[–]copenseethe 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

It sounds like all your material needs are provided by your parents.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I work closely with my family, and take a smaller paycheck than my co-workers, all on my own volition.

Yes, I live with my family and our lives are inter-connected. I am their primary employee. Watch yourself.

There is nothing wrong eating the eggs from their chickens or bathing in the water from their well. I work for it.

[–]Jesus 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Billionaires hate farmers and the tillers of the soil. The war is on the homesteaders.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is very true. PETA came after us with the help of a State Rep, but nothing can stop happy healthy doggies and those who love em.

[–]jet199 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

No one works for every dollar that have so I don't know what that's got to do with anything.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Workers work for every dollar they own and they get back half of it.

[–]Zapped 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Your style is very combative and condescending here and choose to not play anymore with you.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I will take your words to heart, and next time we interact, I hope to be less combative.

Nothing I said was wrong though.

[–]Zapped 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Thanks for stepping back for a moment. I didn't want to get into a tit-for-tat. You have a valid point of view that I happen to disagree with from where I stand.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I only do it with you because you have made comments I have saved and stored. Other users who ask for some quality discussion get my big toe.

[–]Bigs 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (19 children)

Billionaires don't work for money, that's true, they make money work for them. Christ you jealous little shits are tiresome.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

That's not money that's working for them, that's a bunch of "jealous little shits"

Don't be so disconnected from reality, smalls.

[–]Bigs 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

That you don't understand even the most BASIC part of capitalism is why you have no right to whine (like a little bitch) about it.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

I understand capitalism. It is human illusion, and sure, you can cash in on it, but is an illusion. You propagate their scams for them.

Then you act like there is virtue in that? Fucking laughable.

I work very hard for a couple of capitalists. I make them good money. I know how it works, you old man. My family is doing much better than most. I can tell you, it has done nothing for their minds or their hearts.

I can tell that all that cash did nothing for you but help you escape.

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What did they work hard at? Fucking over america? The system is fundamentally flawed and corrupt. Wall street financiers and corporate CEOs destroyed the functional prosperous economy of america. They used our 401 Ks to fund chinese factory growth while shutting down all manufacturing here. They fucked us.

Billionaires worked hard at raping us and destroying our country.

oh gee Mr. Billionaire you’re such a hard working conscientious rapist.

Fuck that. Propel commerce and technology indeed. They took a wrecking ball to it.

[–]Zapped 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

False syllogism. Not all inclusive. Not all exclusive.

[–]Node 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

help propel commerce and technology

This appears to be far more harmful to our species than not.

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Commerce and technology are just dreaming up one nightmare after another.

Commerce and technology gave us covid.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

And don't forget the fact that most businesses owners are dirt poor. Small businesses are the backbone of our economy. That's so'm neither Capitalists nor Socialists understand.

[–]Iam1ofMany 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (11 children)

In the immortal words of Gordon Gekko... "Greed is good". Greed drives people to make things and then try to expand on that and make it better to earn more money. The reason we have things as good as we do is due to greed. Capitalism is all about greed and I am fine with that. Greed makes the world a better place. Money drives people to be motivated. Pharmaceutical makers are a prime example. I love listening to people bitching about pharmacy prices. If they weren't making all that moola they wouldn't be driven to make new/better medicines.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Your logic is shite. Greed isn't good.

[–]Iam1ofMany 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

It isn't good... it is great.

[–]Airbus320 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

😮

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

We had a ton of great cheap antivirals that all work well to cure early stage covid and prevent people from develop severe covid. Cheap 50 year old medications that are safe. I can make and airtight case for the effectiveness of a number of them that I researched that bury the new fangled big pharma interventions that were pushed by oligarchs.

But they couldnt make any money on those because of expired patents. So everybody had to die. And oligarchs pushed bad studies that demonized covid cures.

Big pharma pushes whatever new bullshit product they have over established effective drugs with known safety profiles. CDC/FDA/Congress are in bed with these guys and they all suck each other off.

Half a million americans died this year from covid, most of them didn’t have to.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Ace inhibitors were associated with a 68% reduction iirc in contracting corona because they both act on the same pathway. I thought that deserved bigger consideration.

Although they aren't suitable for everyone, people with normal blood pressure would feel dizzy on them.

[–]Node 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Greed drives people to

Destroy their own species in order to get more.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

ALL ISMS ARE CORPORATIONS. Your actions and following Christ is the truth.

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    [–]Node 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    produce on a large scale

    Is this a desirable goal?

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    You can still have business owners without paying the top one-percent more than the entire bottom ninety percent combined.

    I, however, reject ES's notion of the "bourgeoisie" oppressing the "proletariat." Most business owners are dirt poor — they're exploited just as much as Working-class folks like me! By who? Billionaires, mainstream media, and government bureaucrats.

    Class conflict will get us nowhere! We have to unify the Nation, purge the traitors, and enforce class cooperation. No class should be allowed to garner enough wealth and power to threaten the national well-being.

    [–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    You are straight up making wild, unsupported claims. Period.

    [–]Canbot 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

    The measure of whether someone has earned something is never "do they have a lot? if so they didn't earn it". That is a retarded thing to believe, and even if it is likely for the most rich in the world if you accept that pseudo logical argument it will be used to claim that everyone who has more than you didn't earn it and therefore you have a right to take it. Do better.

    [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    True... rather it is HOW they got it and for what means they plan on using it for the common good. If any.

    [–]Canbot 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    Notice how no socialist/communist ever has sources when they make these claims. I'm all for identifying those who got rich through corruption and lynching them, but that is a different discussion altogether. You can't say I caught one person getting rich from corruption therefore all people who are rich must be guilty of corruption. That is dumb.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    The top one percent owns more than the entire bottom ninety percent combined.

    I find it hard to believe a handful of Neo-Liberals earned more money than every small business owner who put his livelihood on the line and lived well below his means for years, every worker who works overtime every day to put food on the table for his children, every patriot who cares more about preserving our way of life and contributing to the Nation than they do about selfishly accumulating wealth.

    Even if they somehow "earned" it: do they deserve it, when all they do is funnel money into destroying our Nation? They bribe politicians, fund terrorist organizations like BLM and Antifa, sponsor anti-American propaganda, support gun control, censorship, open borders, weak election security, and sex changes for children. Are these the people we want to give more power to than ninety-percent of the population? No!

    [–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    I find it hard to believe

    This does not constitute proof of anything. You literally have zero understanding of how they got their money. If you did you would not be so poor. It's like a fish claiming there is no way birds can fly. But like I have already said, even if the top 1% got there through corruption that does not justify the propaganda that "rich people" all got their money through corruption. Rich can mean anything and it will absolutely be used to call anyone with more money than you rich. So you invent justification to rob the rich by claiming it only applies to the 1% then use it to rob everyone who has a dollar more than you. It is a despicable trick.

    when all they do is funnel money into destroying our Nation?

    Don't blame the rich when the culprits are all jews. Don't use the sins of jews to go after non jews.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    Racism is the rich man's sword.

    [–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Racism as we know it is a myth. White people never identified as white, it was always by nationality. A Spaniard had absolutely no love or affinity of any kind to a Brit, if anything it was hatred. Europe was in constant warfare. The entire racism narrative was invented to divide and conquer. To blur the difference between whites and jews so that all of jewish power and wealth can be called white power and wealth so that jews do not get blamed when they claim that the rich and powerful whites are to blame for everything. So the jews could use their own evil deeds to demonize whites, because jews hate whites with a vengeful passion.

    As for white privilege the entire claim is that those in power will help others like them. That is true, but it is not true for white people as a whole. A spaniard will help a sapaniard and a brit will help a brit and a jew will help a jew, but they do NOT extend this to "white people". If you are going to hate people, and claim their achievements are due to nepotism then the first group you have to judge this way is the jews. They have more wealth and power than any other group on the planet by a gigantic margin. The gap from them to the next wealthiest group is larger than any other gap. And there is no shortage of evidence of their corruption, usery, and and destruction. Just about every evil blamed on white people can be traced back to jews.

    But jews are never blamed, it is always deflected onto white people precisely because jews have the power to make that happen. They control the media, the education system, and the government. They use this power to brainwash the "stupid goy" as they call them. That is where the term racism comes from.

    It is not the rich man's sword, it is the jews' sword.

    [–]InvoluntaryHalibut 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Mimicry is an interesting topic in biology that has implications for humans.

    https://carlzimmer.com/a-social-parasites-sophisticated-mimicry-98/

    Question: Does a parasite know that it is one?

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      [–]InvoluntaryHalibut 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      That is caused by usury, currency manipulation, debt spending and government regulation that PROTECTS corporations.

      The government protects corporations. It doesnt fight them dumdum.

      Get rid of the fiat currency. Eliminate financing. Eliminate inflation. Eliminate deficit spending.

      [–]CANDYASSES 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (41 children)

      bill gates earned a hundred billion dollars.

      [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (40 children)

      "earned"

      [–]CANDYASSES 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (39 children)

      it isnt about who earns the money.

      money is a trick, it is a shell game, it is a hoax, it is a delusion.

      the rich print money. the rich control the money game.

      this will not end well.

      the only way for the rich to become richer is to take from the poor.

      the poor are going to starve.

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

      You are either a bot, or a shill. Fuck off.

      [–]CANDYASSES 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      there is no need to get snippy with me.

      seriously.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Deal with it.

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      He's a troll; don't feed him.

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      You're a troll, but I feed you.

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      You're really going out of your way to try and pick a fight with me, ain't you? I'll just ghost you for a while.

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        [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        PURCHASING

        VALUE

        [–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (30 children)

        the only way for the rich to become richer is to take from the poor.

        That makes no sense at all. The poor have nothing to take, and the fact that you think possessions are created through theft is concerning.

        The way for the rich to become richer is to create more. To use their unlimited money to buy scientists, to build corporations like pizer and use it to not only wield political power by holding medicine over the heads of everyone else but to also use it to destroy the scientific efforts of others because the less your enemies know the more powerful you are. They destroy technology that would cure diseases, they hide technology which benefits them more as private knowledge, they release only the technology that best allows them to control and manipulate people without giving away the power of knowledge to others.

        That is why we live in clown world. That is why everyone has been brainwashed to believe absurdities like trans propaganda, global warming, and multidimensionality.

        it isnt about who earns the money.

        Yes, it very much is. At least for the vast majority of people. Outside of the uber rich and powerful the rest of us live lives of making the most of our lives. When we work towards that end and it is taken from us to support others who do not that is a crime. It is a travesty. It is destructive. It takes away the ability of hard workers to make something of themselves. To create the technology and advancement for themselves that is taken away by the 1%. Redistribution is just a way to impoverish those who challenge the 1% and their dystopic plans, and have that impoverishment be blamed on the poor. The biggest threat to the 1% are the millions of people who when left to their own devices invent, create, learn and build. Who will save up the excess of their hard work and use that savings to push the known science further; and do it openly. Who will take the medical shackles off the people by curing cancer, providing organic produce, spreading information about vaccine harm, and developing alternatives to all the things designed to make us sickly and needy.

        [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

        Or speculating.

        [–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        speculating is available to everyone. If it is so easy then do it.

        [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

        When we work towards that end and it is taken from us to support others who do not that is a crime. It is a travesty.

        The US is a self-funding corporation. Yup. They can literally annul debts tomorrow.

        [–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

        This is a supremely nonsensical view of money. Though technically they can zero all debts, the ramifications would be catastrophic. So, no, they can't just annul all debts.

        And this claim, true or not, makes no difference to my argument. No one in a country that takes away the products you create and redistributes them has anyone left making products within a few years. It has nothing to do with debt, or money. If I have all my tomatoes that I plant taken away this year I will not plant any next year. This is why they all starve. This is why socialist/communist countries that can feed themselves before they transitioned end up having to import food and ration it to the point of desperation.

        [–]CANDYASSES 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

        The poor have nothing to take

        we have begun to form large slums in our communities.

        we call it homelessness.

        it is my opinion that the united states is forming a social system that is similar to the caste system in india. the "in a nutshell" description of the indian caste system is that there is an "ultra poor low class" that is referred to as an "untouchable", meaning that good and proper "middle and upper class" not to shake hands or to be friendly to these people of the lowest class in the indian caste system. Apparently they enjoy working in the sewers, it pays good money.

        the elite rich do nothing but to sit around and play a lifesized version of social chess. they have buckets of diamonds and tons of gold that they can spend on a whim.

        somebody is robbing the henhouse, and it aint the poor.

        your move.

        [–]Canbot 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

        we have begun to form large slums in our communities.

        Wrong, there has never been a time when homeless did not exist. However, the problem is now the smallest it has ever been, thanks to capitalism.

        united states is forming a social system that is similar to the caste system

        India's caste system is supported by laws, something that is expressly prohibited in the united states by anit-discrimination laws. They are not equally enforced because Affirmative Action and any anti white discrimination is allowed, however, you can't really claim that white people are predominantly lower class as a result. In terms of class mobility America is near the very top of all countries, which is why all the poor people in the world flock here.

        the elite rich do nothing

        That is a meaningless thing to say unless you can narrow down the term "the elite rich". The vast majority of millionaires did not make their money doing nothing. It seems like you don't know what they do and instead of accepting your ignorance or actually trying to learn you invented an answer that fits into your anti capitalist world view. Or rather you were brainwashed with this view and accept it willingly because it excuses your poverty as something other than the result of your actions and the actions of your parents and ancestors. It is simply not based in facts.

        somebody is robbing the henhouse, and it aint the poor.

        It is illogical to say that others have money THERFORE they must have stolen it. Do better.

        [–]CANDYASSES 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

        Wrong, there has never been a time when homeless did not exist. However, the problem is now the smallest it has ever been, thanks to capitalism.

        published numbers say that we have approx 500,000 homeless in the united states.

        it is my opinion, kind sir or madame, that you could debate your way out of a tornado or tsunami.

        there are 500,000 people that do not have a stable home.

        we have literally millions of people in impoverished rural area that are at or below starvation levels.

        we have literally millions of people that are seemingly hopelessly addicted to opiate pain killer drugs.

        thanks to capitalism.

        [–]Node 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        'could'?

        [–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

        Literally nothing you said addresses the fact that it is capitalism that has reduced poverty and you have the audacity to claim that capitalism is still the problem. Absolute insanity. You are the king of clowns in clown world, congratulations.

        [–]CANDYASSES 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

        9/10ths of the law is about one's intent.

        do you notice that my posts are not peppered with insults.

        my intent is to find solutions, while your intent seems to be of a rude and agressive type.

        you should drop off your resume to CNN.

        [–]InvoluntaryHalibut 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Most of these homeless are people that are choosing to be homeless because they are drug addicts. Many of these people are illegal immigrants. Criminals. And certainly some crazy people.

        I am strongly in favor of increasing manufacturing in the US immediately. Some of these people can produce wealth if given increased opportunity. But we cannot keep compensating drug addicts at the expense of workers.

        Oh btw. We can end drug use anytime we want. Anytime. When people decide that living in a decent country is more important than the right to get high. Its very easy to solve the drug problem.

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          [–]Canbot 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (13 children)

          Socialism is always pushed by the billionaires. Just look at who is spending money to advertise it and push propaganda on it. It's the billionaires. Ask why.

          Socialism is not about taking from the billionaires and giving it to everyone else. It is about taking from the successful middle class and giving a tiny bit of it to the poor while making sure most of it disappears. The point is not to help the poor, they need a poor class for thier class warfare strategy. The point is to get the successful middle class to feel real pain every time they see their paycheck and blame the poor for it.

          Then they look at the poor who got $1 of benefit for every $10 that was taken from the middle class and see that even with all that money that is being stolen the poor are no better off. They assume that all that money was squandered by the no good, ignorant leaches.

          So the middle class fights back and that plays right into the billionaires hands. They use their power in media and schools to tell the poor that the well off middle class who they label as rich are the reason they don't get more aid, can't get ahead, and even if they try the "rich" will keep them down.

          If you want to take money from billionaires specifically push for laws that exclusively target billionaires. Because that is NOT what socialism is. Socialism is a tool of oppression.

          [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

          Communism is; Not Socialism.

          [–]Bigs 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

          No, it's just the end result of socialism

          [–]mongre 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

          Look everyone! The Bolsheviks Marxists Democrats have arrived.

          You guys can kindly fuck off and take that shit back to reddit.

          [–]Canbot 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          This is not an argument. You can fuck off with your Reddit logic. This is the place for discussion.

          [–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Canbot is legit.

          [–]Node 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          I'm seeing more conservative vs progressive arguments in here than anything else.

          [–]blowininthewind 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

          happy international worker's day!

          enjoy the american factory!

          [–]Canbot 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          The American factories are gone. They have moved to communsit countries which do a much better job oppressing thier workers. Why do you champion the communists?

          Then you will turn around and blame Capitalism for the loss of work due to outsourcing to other countries. It is all so circular and illogical.

          One second jobs are slavery, the next second the loss of jobs is slavery. Whatever is needed to shit on America, or western countries, or white people. You have no principals, just hatred.

          [–]blowininthewind 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

          (in case you can't tell the sarcasm...)

          [–]zyxzevn 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

          Fun statement, but it is far more complex.

          In many countries Socialism usually means, that people that do work hard have to pay taxes for people that do not work.
          While people that earn millions for almost doing nothing, are usually exempt from taxes, via all kinds of tax evasion techniques.
          If they are not exempt, they pay the politicians to make them exempt or find a different country.

          This means that in whatever system, the billionaires will invest their money into keeping their monopolies and profitable position.

          There are some millionaires that did hard work and had a lot of luck and or talent. But how can people even become billionaires?
          That is via monopolies and other extortion techniques.

          Different government systems allow for different techniques. In the US the federal banking system is such an extortion system, and the endless wars. But it also allows for many other monopolies. In the EU the banking system dominates, but billionaires have their friends in the local governments to get the very profitable deals that they want. They also have fake commissions that work for the big companies and billionaires. In India the local government can just be paid off, even when people start to die from poisonous chemicals. The US also allows killing people, as long it is in other countries.

          In all cases, the power of the corporations, commisions and billionaires is the problem. And not really the government system that they use to extort money from the people.

          Just look at the World Economic Forum.
          They literally spread the idea of communism, in which they are the rulers. I think they want communism (Chinese style), because other systems allow more freedom.

          [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

          Nah, all countries are self-funding. The FED tricks you into thinking that say debt annulimg student loans comes out of your taxes; it 100% doesn't have to.

          [–]zyxzevn 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          The EU is now continuously borrowing money from their central bank (ECB).
          They blame it on Greece and such, but it I think it is actually the central corrupt government that is wasting money.

          Student loans are different per country. In some countries education is nearly free.
          So you can stay at your family without much additional costs. For the education level of a country, It is a good thing for a country to give the future generation good skills.

          The costs of higher education in the US are similar to those of private schools in the EU, and they costs a lot more.
          In the EU these are the schools for elite only. The UK is closest in their education system.

          And healthcare is also very different.
          The healthcare in the US is made to increase profits for the companies, using monopoly systems,
          which makes it 10x more expensive than everywhere else.
          In Eastern Europe the doctors used to get about as much as a carpenter, for the work that they did.
          And this make them actually do their jobs better, because they care less about the money and more about the patients.

          [–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          It's all about private profits, yes, and since the Zionist takeover of the US, though corruption was always rampant from the time of its founding, the current order is completely in opposition to the middle-class.

          The US government is self-funding and does not need the FED to do the money printing, ie., bond printing. The US, if it wasn't full of Zionists, could print trillions into projects that ebb and flow with supply and demand at no interests that would NOT have to be paid back in taxes which could necessitate the needed work for say organic famring endavours.

          Instead, they subsidise chain corporations.

          [–]Captzapheart 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

          Much of the research that's behind the Corona Vax is publicly funded, but somehow belongs to Bill Gates which he now what to charge the public for, capitalism.... Sometimes you gotta hate it.

          [–]Canbot 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

          That is not Capitalism, it is corruption. Next you are going to blame capitalism for grand theft auto because it happened in a capitalist country. This is all equally illogical.

          Publicly funded research is SOCIALISM/COMMUNISM, not capitalism. Every single publicly funded research project is controlled by someone, that goes for everything under socialism/communism. There are those in power and those at their mercy. No "equal" citizen under socialism/communism can go live in the leader's mansion, or take the presidential limo out for a spin. There are always haves and have nots. Only under capitalism is everyone equally allowed to be a have.

          [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          No ism is inherently bad. All Isms are corporations.

          When society forgets Christ, whether Under capitalism Or Socialism or Communism the deterioration will start.

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            [–]copenseethe 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

            How much did you get charged for the vax/ I got it for free in the US.

            [–]InvoluntaryHalibut 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

            No you didn’t jackass.

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              [–]InvoluntaryHalibut 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              FALSE DICHOTOMY. Government is a CORPORATION. They are a MONOPOLY. They are forcing you to buy their product. Its a shit product.

              Stupid libtards think when a crooked corrupt corporation involved in usury and thuggish tactics and theft has a label slapped on it named “gOvErNMeNt”, that it loves the people—LOL— and all the people running it just happen to become billionaires overnight because they’re really smart investors.

              Government isn’t magic, libbies. They are the same bureuacratic scumbags running corporations.

              [–]jykylsin2034 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

              Why do these pathetic leftist posts always garner so many votes?

              [–]Node 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              In this case, the closeness of the fun to insightful scores means it's very likely the loki88 troll doing most of the upvoting.

              [–]Tarrock 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

              It is socialism.

              Mao, Castro, Stalin, Che. All of them died million/billionaires while their people starved.

              [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              Socialism literally means the workers own the means of Production. Are farmer co-opts bad?

              [–]adultmanhwa 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              even with capitalism, more people die. seven sisters and invasion of middle east?

              [–]Bigs 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

              What would it actually take for a socialist/commie to actually see reality and leave the cult?

              [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

              What would it take to get your generation out of the rat race, and face reality?

              Money is a cult, and you have no imagination if you think we need it to function as a race. Modern societies need it because they are run by psychopaths, and you've learned from them, and think there is virtue in being in their monetary ponzi scheme.

              [–]Bigs 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              I'm semi-retired and my biggest problem in the whole wide world is wondering if changing the impeller and thermostat on my yacht will have cured the overheating issue at high revs? Hopefully so :)

              "Money is a cult" - oh you sad fool. Money is the most exchangeable commodity, nothing more or less.

              "Modern societies need it because they are run by psychopaths" No, we need it due to the division of labor and specialization, things like that.

              "their monetary ponzi scheme" - here I agree, which is why I'm stocking up on bitcoin. It's a hoot :)

              [–]Intuit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              No, capitalism is based in private property rights. In capitalism, those who work hard create wealth, which benefits everyone. They get more, society gets more.

              [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

              Actually, it's both. In Capitalism, wealth is taken from the lower classes and given to the rich. In Socialism, wealth is taken from the lower classes and given to bureaucrats.

              Corporatism is the only solution; we must abolish class conflict and enforce national unity.

              [–]Zapped 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

              What do you mean by "taken"?

              Do you think wealth is created or is already in existence?

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