"Fascism is capitalism in decay" - Lenin

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[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

That's Communism, actually. Every communist revolution has begun with Capitalism failing in some way. When materialists cannot advance their own material interests through Capitalism, they turn to Communism and seek to take what is not theirs.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

" seek to take what is not theirs "

That's fallacious propaganda thinking. It's not just about taking or reclaiming. It's supposed to be about fixing the imbalanced systems. If your boss makes 10 times you do that's not fair. When the CEO makes 100 times that's really unfair. Unrigging the system is what it's supposed to be about. Ultimately both capitalism and communism are rigged and corrupt and only serve the totalitarians in power rather than being more effectively fair as bottom up decentralized systems.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Communism is about the government owning all property, not balancing the scales. Even then, left-wingers want equality of outcome, not equality of opportunity. They believe that no matter how hard you work, that everyone should get the same pay — or at least the same resources.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

" Communism is about the government owning all property, not balancing the scales. "

The promise the latter and result in the former.

" left-wingers want equality of outcome "

That's a new 2000's thing with the New insane SJW BLM CIA corporate Democrat Left - not the authentic progressive old-left.

" They believe that no matter how hard you work, that everyone should get the same pay — or at least the same resources. "

That's the New Normal World Order's Agenda 2030 Great Reset: CapitaCommunist Totalitarianism.

[–]Druullus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

why isn't it fair that a boss makes more?

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I didn't say that.

Though, it's true that bosses exploit their workers, even if it's not an extreme difference like 10x or 100x, rather than have the workers have a say in things and over the management of the enterprise. Often the boss is just another minion to the "investors" who actually get the profits. The whole hierarchy needs to be flattened. FYI, just as we have minimum wage laws, Japan has maximum wage laws for a much more fair system.

Further, the entire capitalist system intentionally keeps unemployment high so that people are "grateful" to have a job. If jobs were plentiful they'd simply quit when the boss fucks them. When jobs are scarce they can't afford to push back. People aren't grateful to have work, they're stuck being exploited without options. The New Deal created government projects to employ the people. Obviously it worked and the US prospered but the powers that shouldn't be won't do that again because they prefer to exploit desperate folks.

[–]Druullus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If your boss makes 10 times you do that's not fair. When the CEO makes 100 times that's really unfair.

What's stopping you from replacing the investors/managers?

The entire collectivist system intentionally keeps unemployment high...

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

" What's stopping you from replacing the investors/managers? "

You are unclear.

How could "you", an employee, replace the investors/managers? "You" are a lowly employee with no power.

If you mean in a coop, then everyone in the coop decides when they replace the manager or whatever. They also decide how much everyone is paid and how much of the profits are saved within the company and/or invested in their futures, healthcare, the community, intern programs, advertising, etc etc etc.

If you meant something else then I didn't catch it.

" The entire collectivist system intentionally keeps unemployment high... "

"Collectivist system"?

When times get tough, a capitalist corporation would lay off people to cut costs, save on benefits, and make the others work harder - forcing the laid off people to go on welfare (externalizing the expenses back onto the government/tax payers), suffer, find other work, become criminals, etc. Meanwhile the profits remain in the hands of the few. The corporations might even cut corners and pollute the environment.

When times get tough, a worker coop would reduce everyone's hours, protect the jobs thereby protecting the community, and manage their resources and savings to get through. A coop would never poison their own community. Collectively they could take the hit easier than a few victims of a layoff that then become community burdens.

[–]Druullus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You are complaining about owners/bosses not paying workers enough/charging the customers to much/keeping to much for themselves etc, so why don't you replace them and do things differently, i.e. prove it can be done, not just complain?

They are all human.

What is stopping people today from being part of coops?

We live in a centralized collective, i.e. it's the centralized collective system that keeps unemployment high... Capitalism = allocating resources via supply and demand in a free market, with private property, freedom of choice, freedom of association etc.

A corporation can only have employees if people buy the stuff they produce, how is a corporation supposed to pay people if they don't make a profit?

government/tax payers is part of the centralized collective, not capitalism.

Why should corporations not be liable for doing harm to people?

What is stopping you/others from starting a private coop?

[–]Rah 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Communism destroys the middle-class and the peasantry to enrich the ruling class. Russian oligarchy is intact. North Korean oligarchy is intact. Chinese oligarchy, intact.

When you see the interview of an old Russian peasantlady that stated in Tsarist Russia times were rough, but no one starved, you know these people are the devil.

[–]polync 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

It's not true that in Tsarist Russia nobody starved, but at least people who were inclined to work and work well were generally less affected than lazy ones. The communists brought exactly the negative incentive to make any quality work at all. By the end of USSR this approach so rotted the countries that even 30 years after its dissolution the mentality is still widespread (not to say that the actual terror was long gone by that time, and beginning from Khrustchev there were lots of positive done).

So yeah, everybody advertising communism should take all the tomes of Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot, and shove all of them into own ass.

[–]jet199 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

In Tsarist Russia when there was famine people were allowed to leave and go where there was food. Under communism not so much.

[–]Druullus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

who are the 3.6?

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

All of the poor.

[–]Druullus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

the children, mentally ill etc?

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Sure, kill liberate them too.

[–]Markimus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Hilarious to see manipulated minds cry about fascism with zero understanding of it