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[–]Nemesis 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

First, I'm not advocating for industry, just a free market (voluntary exchange of goods/services for capital). I hope for an eventual future when advanced technology will remove the need for heavy industry, though who knows if that will ever come to pass.
Second, if the planet is destroyed, it won't be because the free market demands it. Look around, big business is already realizing the environment sells - it's great marketing, and people will pay more for green, low impact products. Pollution was rampant throughout China and the Soviet throughout their dalliance with communism. I think the issue could be more aptly attributed to human decision making rather than any specific ideology. People will choose short term rewards over long term benefits in a low information environment. Why develop ecotourism for a trickle of revenue over the years when you can buzz it down now and sell it to a furniture company? The decision still happens in every system, because every system involves humans pursuing value. In the USSR it was mid level officials cutting deals to clear a percentage off the transaction, or get a promotion off the local economic boost in their quarterly reports. In your "scientific, naturalist clan-based democratic monarchy" you would run into the same problem, as long as your Redditor philosopher kings are still human.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Faux-environment sells. The green movement is mostly a fraud. I agree that the base problem is individual choice, but I still have major qualms with ideologies which are destructive to non-human life (and poor humans). The thing that you don't seem to understand about the clan-based democratic monarchy is that for something that evolutionary to occur, mankind would have to advance in his spiritual understanding. It could never come about if we weren't ready to properly handle power and responsibility. Why do you think we turned away from it in the past? Because we weren't ready, we had to fall down the political rabbit hole to industrialism and capital>human , much like the philosopher must fall down the hole to find nihilism. The thing is, it will occur again because it is right. Free-markets can exist in this society, and if you really think America is a free-market, then you don't know shit. The American people have no power, it's all a bunch of manufactured consent, and has been for ages now. I hate all modern and medieval political systems. They bring forth good administrative ideas, but not much else.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

A bunch of neocons and 5th column ZioCons orchestrated 9/11 and instead of being thrown in jail cells for life or expelled from the country they now teach our children ethics at Yale or get cushy jobs in government.

Knowing that, one can then plainly see how screwed up the US is.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly. Not even that, but our Founding Fathers were slave owners and talked about liberty and freedom, as they conquered lands from others. Its just a bunch of disassociation with the evil shit, and association with the "good". It's a glass house, really nice in some regards, really fucking weak in others.