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[–]aHobbitsTale[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Are you saying straight dudes jerking to lesbian porn (or rather "lesbian porn", usually two straight girls directed by a straight guy to try not to cringe while barely touching each other) is not paraphilia, but straight chicks masturbating to gay porn (or rather "gay porn", usually some drawing of two males by a straight woman), is paraphilia? If so, what is the reason for the inconsistency? But again I could be wrong because I'm lost at "wrt."

No, it's a fair point, and you did perfectly note the inconsistency.

In short, yes. Which at first seems to be a rather indefensible thing to say. FF for men is "normal" (there are no penises...) and MM for women is paraphilia (there's at least two penises.) It only appears to be an unfair thing to say if you consider male and female sexuality to be equivalent. That men and women are possessed of the same sexual desire and nature? Right? It also depends on your personal take on the huge variety of paraphilia, since given as a singular category.

fake lesbians

Drowning in them, aren't we? AGP...

This is what I was hinting at, however. You've got a phrase for it, your words, and below I make a comment regarding "lesbian porn."

usually some drawing

You're making my point. Concepts vs reality. Porn vs the written word. I'm not here to say that concepts I would not like to realize are not intriguing, that I've never enjoyed some artistic renditions, I'm just quite curious why those things aren't realized on video.

straight dudes jerking to lesbian porn (or rather "lesbian porn", usually two straight girls directed by a straight guy to try not to cringe while barely touching each other)

In agreement. It's horribly off-putting, isn't it? And yet, it's published, because it suffices. Yet I've never seen a bit of (male-male) gay porn that I felt was inauthentic. Quite the opposite.

[–]usehername 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

FF for men is "normal" (there are no penises...) and MM for women is paraphilia (there's at least two penises.)

So... you're defining whether or not a certain act is "paraphilia" based on the number of penises involved?

It only appears to be an unfair thing to say if you consider male and female sexuality to be equivalent.

Equivalent how? How would anyone have sex if they all exclusively wanted to do the exact same acts to each other? There's a compatibility issue.

It's also odd that you would categorize sexuality into "men and women." The idea that all males have the same sexuality and all females have the same sexuality. I think you forgot about the existence of homosexuality. What it seems to imply is that there is absolutely zero difference between the sexuality of heterosexuals and homosexuals (of the same sex) other than the target. This is wrong.

"fake lesbians" - Drowning in them, aren't we? AGP...

I was referring to bisexual women.

Yet I've never seen a bit of (male-male) gay porn that I felt was inauthentic. Quite the opposite.

Maybe you haven't seen much yaoi lol. But as far as video porn, you can tell that they're sometimes not into it when they just don't seem to be enjoying it and then there's a cut where one or both clearly take a viagra lol. But that's usually only when they're really sexually incompatible, like two very feminine gay guys. Straight guys are more into "double the chicks", while straight women are more into "let's watch this big man destroy some little gay boy".

I'm not here to say that concepts I would not like to realize are not intriguing, that I've never enjoyed some artistic renditions, I'm just quite curious why those things aren't realized on video.

They are realized on video lol. The difference between perceived authenticity is because straight men like to see two very feminine women having sex, they aren't often attracted to actual lesbians, so it's two straight/bihet women. Whereas straight women fetishize the dynamic between a very feminine gay boy who gets destroyed by a masculine bisexual male, which is even more insidious than some straight guy thinking "nice, 4 tits." "Lesbian" porn for straight guys generally involves 0 actual homosexuals, while "gay" porn for straight women generally involves 1 actual homosexual.

[–]aHobbitsTale[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think you forgot about the existence of homosexuality.

I didn't, though. Men who desire men are possessed of a female-typical desire, (who desires masculine men, most frequently? Roughly half the population.) and women who desire women are possessed of a male-typical one (who desires feminine women most frequently? Again, about half of every person.) especially when you look only at the physiological aspects. Sure, there are higher-order effects. No doubt.

What it seems to imply is that there is absolutely zero difference between the sexuality of heterosexuals and homosexuals (of the same sex) other than the target. This is wrong.

This is my point, and I'll gladly entertain your take on it. In all seriousness, I think you can see where I'm coming at from this. Everything else is the same! The only variance is male/female, it's... It's just who you want to have sex with. Phenotypical, adult, consenting partners. The anatomy may differ, certainly, and the attendant activities thus differ, but the desire is one based on sex, sex matters. Top/bottom roles among men? What does that reflect?

Maybe you haven't seen much yaoi....

No, but there's something to be said about that, isn't there? Why is it constrained to artistic rendition? Art, literature, as opposed to the domain of the videographer? That has to be resolved.