Senate delays vote on same-sex marriage until after midterms, so that when they decide not to pass it, they will have already gotten gay and lesbian votes in the midterms and the exodus will hurt less. by usehername in LGB_Discussions

[–]usehername[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That's a propaganda article, still worth a read and worth burning your eyes on the comments to see how they really feel. This one is better for facts:

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/22/schumer-same-sex-marriage-vote-00058129

Nebraska judge says birth certificates can’t name 2 mothers by usehername in LGB_Discussions

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I would think the birth certificate should list any and all parents, god parents and Mullahs and Jesus, and a pet rock, and fido the alsatian, or whomever is deemed the legit parent, regardless of sex.

Nebraska judge says birth certificates can’t name 2 mothers by usehername in LGB_Discussions

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I think birth certificates should list biological parents but also have additional spaces for adoptive or additonal parents. It is important to record these things for medical reasons and personal ones too.

Two mothers I have no issue with but the kid came out of someone and I feel the distinction should be noted. We don't need to deny reality to celebrate different types of families but it doesn't hurt you to have facts recorded about your birth.

This is like males changing their certificates to female. It doesn't work that way. Best I can do is give you an asterisks bud.

Nebraska judge says birth certificates can’t name 2 mothers by usehername in LGB_Discussions

[–]On_Wheels 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And the fact that the couple was already allowed to amend one of their sons' birth certificates shows that the "the parents have to be biological" law is not applied evenly at all.

Not an American, but isn't this unequal, or let's name it for what it is discriminatory action basis for legal action?

is completely transparent and a legitimate slippery slope

Give them an inch and they'll take a mile, and they will keep on taking if conservatives are allowed to.

Remember to submit comment on proposed Biden admin redefinition of "sex" in Title IX - only 3 days left! by jjdub7 in LGB_Discussions

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Thanks!

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Agreed 100% on people being allowed to speak their mind, homophobia or whatever. I literally could not care less if fundies sit there and quote Leviticus or from Saint Paul the Reformed Murderer at me.

The implications of silencing speech are way, way worse.

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and then they wonder why bisexuals sometimes get a bad rap...

(no shade to my bi compatriots, I can separate opinions from the crowd)

AGP are seeking sexual validation first, not necessarily social validation as we all assumed. by aHobbitsTale in LGB_Discussions

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I think every heterosexual transsexual knows that people generally understand when they see them, that they generally want to be treated "as a woman" (what they really mean is in a "feminine" manner, but their ideas of femininity are warped and they are really just experiencing a masculine form of masochism) sexually.

Right out of the gate, we diverge. I don't think most people understand what they're being faced with. I could be wrong on this topic... But I would be so horribly surprised if the mainstream could take one casual glance, today, at an autogynephilic transexual and say: "ah, they just want to be what they desire." Terribly shocked, really, if this is what is going on. Perhaps the intuitive sense is there and everyone is terrified to say it? Or lacks the framework to articulate it? I would argue the latter, if anything. But I presuppose immense ignorance. Why should they care? Average people are getting on very well just doing average stuff and remaining willfully and blissfully ignorant about a great many things.

their ideas of femininity are warped and they are really just experiencing a masculine form of masochism) sexually.

Thank you for stating this as such... new perspective... I take this to mean that some men are masochists, and are looking for, or are compelled to a theme that appeals to them. Certainly, there are many varieties of masochism. The overall idea remains intact--I'll define it as disparities in interpersonal power, not pain, power, and humilitation as von Krafft-Ebing put it--but the activities that achieve this are numerous and sundry. There are disparities of interpersonal power between men and women, in the West, irrespective of transexualism.

And I would be even more shocked if people understood the phenomena as one pertaining to what you're proposing. It's almost incomprehensible for the average person, no? So, you and I have some degree of camaraderie here, because we don't accept the base-case. Though we may be at odds on some things. That's fine. We're working through them. Actually working on things... what a concept.

I don't understand what you mean when you use the term "sexual acceptance."

All things being equal, in a different post. That was my point. Phenotypically normal, adult, and consenting. Everything else remains the same.

There is a lot more to heterosexual transsexualism than fetishism. When we dismiss them all as "AGPs", that only hurts our cause and glosses over the deeper reasons heterosexuals transition, which are very different from the reasons homosexuals transition. AGP is a real phenomenon, but it's more of a way to describe a specific way in which the psychology and sexuality of biologically masculine people becomes warped during or before the transition process of heterosexual males. It isn't a stand-alone, weird, one-off fetish. I would say that all heterosexual transsexuals most likely have AGP, but a good portion of them likely acquire it after transition.

I'm struggling with this one.

There is a lot more to heterosexual transsexualism than fetishism.

Fetishism as evidenced and defined by a desire for female-typical clothing? (It's a rather historical look at it. The fetish-object?) No, they want the whole package. They want to be female. Physiologically, socially, anatomically, etc, and to each has different degrees of respective desire that also competes with plain heterosexual desire.

I sense a wish that you want to be able to fix them. I have nothing to offer you or any one else there. "Become." "Before." "Transition process." "Acquire it." They're stuck with it, as best as I can tell. It does not appear to be, to be volitional, and even if it was, self-directed. Men's desire for women, as an erotic locus, is quite grounded. It's just the subjectivity gets screwed up from time to time. Them... vs? me?

You don't need to know someone's sexual habits to know they're a homosexual.

Rather, it was their social habits that made it evident. But it wasn't their social habits that made it objectionable. Having a nice dinner out with another man makes it quite obvious. Even if I don't dress flamboyantly or have "the voice." Supposing for a minute that homosexuality didn't exist, I could have wonderful, intimate outings with men without anyone having a care, given that we both went back to our respective women-folk at the end of the day. This is a horrible blow to men as a class; terrified they will be judged as homosexual.

Also, I'm wondering why you decided to categorize all MTF trans as "AGPs". You somehow forgot homosexual transsexuals, you know, the reason why transsexuality exists in the first place. As a conversion tactic.

A necessary generalization for the sake of argument and prose. You clearly understand; I should be able to throw an abstract, yet grounded, concept or two at you. It's an interesting question though, if you accept that autogynephilia is an a-social, physiological phenomena. Which came first? Homosexuality or AGP? Probably the former, given our evolutionary biology, but it depends where you place the starting point to make historical meaning of it.

Ancient Greece

I consider this one to be hotly contested, and I think the particulars are lost to time. I don't think we can derive modern conclusions from it. I would rather like to, say, investigate the sexual behavior of Afghanistan, for instance, with regards to older and younger men, permit the euphemism. It seems rather obvious to me about Greece, that the social hierarchy and the sexual hierarchy were relatively tied together. A male citizen, the top class, could loose said class by being a receptive anal partner. I would rather avoid ascribing facts of sexual desire. In modernity, the laws in Saudi Arabia pertaining to the death penalty with regards to homosexual behavior are defined insofar as who was the top, who was the bottom, and what religion they respectively profess, for instance. The death penalty there, is also metered out differently if the crime was against the state, or against god. Firing squad, and beheading, respectively. They have unique meaning-making.

actual homosexual males were picked out by their femininity

I don't think we can't discern "actual homosexuals" across such time and place. Gay men today come in such variety. Some are effeminate, some are not. Ætiological differences, I think.

femininity in homosexual males and masculinity in homosexual females

I think the aetiological causes in homosexual women are fewer than that of men. Or, in other words, masculine women are more likely to be homosexual, but masculine men are more likely to be straight.

There's a reason children need to be taught to eat with a fork and knife and not off the floor with their hands.

Some cultures eat with their hands.

Your tone is odd, as if you believe "the AGPs" are somehow conspiring against... I guess straight/bihet women?

Given my retort, I think I could skip this one, but for completeness... No I think we just see AGP fundamentally differently, though we have the same word for something we've recognized as a phenomena. We both see it, but we understand it differently. It's not a grand conspiracy. It's a gestalt of individual desire. It's quite solipsistic.

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I think you forgot about the existence of homosexuality.

I didn't, though. Men who desire men are possessed of a female-typical desire, (who desires masculine men, most frequently? Roughly half the population.) and women who desire women are possessed of a male-typical one (who desires feminine women most frequently? Again, about half of every person.) especially when you look only at the physiological aspects. Sure, there are higher-order effects. No doubt.

What it seems to imply is that there is absolutely zero difference between the sexuality of heterosexuals and homosexuals (of the same sex) other than the target. This is wrong.

This is my point, and I'll gladly entertain your take on it. In all seriousness, I think you can see where I'm coming at from this. Everything else is the same! The only variance is male/female, it's... It's just who you want to have sex with. Phenotypical, adult, consenting partners. The anatomy may differ, certainly, and the attendant activities thus differ, but the desire is one based on sex, sex matters. Top/bottom roles among men? What does that reflect?

Maybe you haven't seen much yaoi....

No, but there's something to be said about that, isn't there? Why is it constrained to artistic rendition? Art, literature, as opposed to the domain of the videographer? That has to be resolved.

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FF for men is "normal" (there are no penises...) and MM for women is paraphilia (there's at least two penises.)

So... you're defining whether or not a certain act is "paraphilia" based on the number of penises involved?

It only appears to be an unfair thing to say if you consider male and female sexuality to be equivalent.

Equivalent how? How would anyone have sex if they all exclusively wanted to do the exact same acts to each other? There's a compatibility issue.

It's also odd that you would categorize sexuality into "men and women." The idea that all males have the same sexuality and all females have the same sexuality. I think you forgot about the existence of homosexuality. What it seems to imply is that there is absolutely zero difference between the sexuality of heterosexuals and homosexuals (of the same sex) other than the target. This is wrong.

"fake lesbians" - Drowning in them, aren't we? AGP...

I was referring to bisexual women.

Yet I've never seen a bit of (male-male) gay porn that I felt was inauthentic. Quite the opposite.

Maybe you haven't seen much yaoi lol. But as far as video porn, you can tell that they're sometimes not into it when they just don't seem to be enjoying it and then there's a cut where one or both clearly take a viagra lol. But that's usually only when they're really sexually incompatible, like two very feminine gay guys. Straight guys are more into "double the chicks", while straight women are more into "let's watch this big man destroy some little gay boy".

I'm not here to say that concepts I would not like to realize are not intriguing, that I've never enjoyed some artistic renditions, I'm just quite curious why those things aren't realized on video.

They are realized on video lol. The difference between perceived authenticity is because straight men like to see two very feminine women having sex, they aren't often attracted to actual lesbians, so it's two straight/bihet women. Whereas straight women fetishize the dynamic between a very feminine gay boy who gets destroyed by a masculine bisexual male, which is even more insidious than some straight guy thinking "nice, 4 tits." "Lesbian" porn for straight guys generally involves 0 actual homosexuals, while "gay" porn for straight women generally involves 1 actual homosexual.

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I think every heterosexual transsexual knows that people generally understand when they see them, that they generally want to be treated "as a woman" (what they really mean is in a "feminine" manner, but their ideas of femininity are warped and they are really just experiencing a masculine form of masochism) sexually. I do object to the idea that all heterosexual transsexuals first begin by somehow developing that fetish, then the desire to transition follows. For some, it is this way, but for many, it is not.

I don't understand what you mean when you use the term "sexual acceptance."

There is a lot more to heterosexual transsexualism than fetishism. When we dismiss them all as "AGPs", that only hurts our cause and glosses over the deeper reasons heterosexuals transition, which are very different from the reasons homosexuals transition. AGP is a real phenomenon, but it's more of a way to describe a specific way in which the psychology and sexuality of biologically masculine people becomes warped during or before the transition process of heterosexual males. It isn't a stand-alone, weird, one-off fetish. I would say that all heterosexual transsexuals most likely have AGP, but a good portion of them likely acquire it after transition.

It is the sexual phenomena of our species that drives the social ones, is that not a fair thing to say?

That definitely is not a fair thing to say. We're human beings. We have the most highly developed frontal lobe out of any other animal. We have animal instincts that must be restrained. There's a reason children need to be taught to eat with a fork and knife and not off the floor with their hands.

Is this how the gay rights movement transpired? The sexual desire came first, and the acceptance came second? ... we've been concerning ourselves with their [AGPs] "social" acceptance, but, clearly it's a sexual phenomena that wants social credibility. ... we cannot have MTF trans as mainstream, socially, before we take them on, sexually ... You have to come sexually first, before we can take you on socially.

I strongly object to your comparison between a warp in natural sexuality to a natural variation in sexual orientations (AGP vs homosexuality). And that, is honestly nothing close to how gay rights came to exist. Gay people didn't say "accept us sexually!! I'm going to flaunt my sexuality!! Accept it and then you can accept us socially :)" No. You don't need to know someone's sexual habits to know they're a homosexual. Usually you can tell just by looking and hearing their voice. And that natural "gender" deviation (femininity in homosexual males and masculinity in homosexual females) in homosexuals is what gives heterosexuals the negative visceral reaction. Actual sexual habits are secondary. If you look back in history, you will see that there were many societies (let's look at Ancient Greece for a moment) where males engaged regularly in same-sex sexual acts. However, actual homosexual males were picked out by their femininity and places into the lowest class in society. The hate wasn't due to their enjoyment of homosexual acts, it was due to the actual, core difference between them and heterosexual or "bihet" males. It's a difference that is easy to spot. Gays aren't "found out" because they're caught having sex or talking openly about crushes. In general, everyone who sees a gay person and hears his voice can tell. Lesbians do a little better of an impression of straight women, but there are still noticeable differences.

Also, I'm wondering why you decided to categorize all MTF trans as "AGPs". You somehow forgot homosexual transsexuals, you know, the reason why transsexuality exists in the first place. As a conversion tactic.

Your tone is odd, as if you believe "the AGPs" are somehow conspiring against... I guess straight/bihet women?

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Are you saying straight dudes jerking to lesbian porn (or rather "lesbian porn", usually two straight girls directed by a straight guy to try not to cringe while barely touching each other) is not paraphilia, but straight chicks masturbating to gay porn (or rather "gay porn", usually some drawing of two males by a straight woman), is paraphilia? If so, what is the reason for the inconsistency? But again I could be wrong because I'm lost at "wrt."

No, it's a fair point, and you did perfectly note the inconsistency.

In short, yes. Which at first seems to be a rather indefensible thing to say. FF for men is "normal" (there are no penises...) and MM for women is paraphilia (there's at least two penises.) It only appears to be an unfair thing to say if you consider male and female sexuality to be equivalent. That men and women are possessed of the same sexual desire and nature? Right? It also depends on your personal take on the huge variety of paraphilia, since given as a singular category.

fake lesbians

Drowning in them, aren't we? AGP...

This is what I was hinting at, however. You've got a phrase for it, your words, and below I make a comment regarding "lesbian porn."

usually some drawing

You're making my point. Concepts vs reality. Porn vs the written word. I'm not here to say that concepts I would not like to realize are not intriguing, that I've never enjoyed some artistic renditions, I'm just quite curious why those things aren't realized on video.

straight dudes jerking to lesbian porn (or rather "lesbian porn", usually two straight girls directed by a straight guy to try not to cringe while barely touching each other)

In agreement. It's horribly off-putting, isn't it? And yet, it's published, because it suffices. Yet I've never seen a bit of (male-male) gay porn that I felt was inauthentic. Quite the opposite.

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[–]usehername 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm tired but I'll try and drum up a decent response.

I think your reply, by my experience, is an invention--one that is designed to satisfy women.

What in the world does this mean?

And circling back to your previous comment:

Gold-star--look at the connotations of those words--is only applied to women.

No one is maliciously or inconsistently "applying these words to women." Gays and lesbians apply the term to themselves. I guess when lesbians apply the term to themselves it's being "applied to women" ... by the lesbians themselves or sometimes the bisexuals who are feeling bitter over it. "Gold star" has always been a lighthearted term. When lesbians chose to adopt it from gays, they took it a little more seriously (at least lately) as a way to differentiate themselves from all the fake lesbians.

I think that is readily juxtaposed with men who want to be "100% sure." And could one ever be 100% sure? (Reductio ad absurdum--has one met everyone of the opposite sex?) This is the constant anxiety that men who are fond of men face.

Homosexuals of both sexes face this equally so I'm not sure what your reasoning behind only applying it to males is.

The social disapprobation for men being fond of their own sex is vastly larger than that of women. By Western, heterosexual standards, women into women is "hot," and if you will excuse me for a moment, entirely heteronormative--for the enjoyment of men.

Lesbianism is fetishized because it' more acceptable socially. Gayness is now reaching the levels of acceptability where straight women fetishize it and it's unfortunately a sign of their status in society increasing (not unfortunate that their status is increasing, just unfortunate that the "good sign" is fetishization, still it's an improvement over pure disgust).

By Western, heterosexual standards, women into women is "hot," and if you will excuse me for a moment, entirely heteronormative--for the enjoyment of men. (Touching on feminism there.)

"Heteronormativity" is not a term associated with feminism. It's about homosexual status and struggles. And is commenting on straight women flicking the bean to violent fantasies of 99% straight dudes obliterating some gay boy in his basement (a reference to Killing, Stalking, an incredibly popular yaoi comic written by a straight woman which has won awards) somehow "meninism" because it involves a male homosexual being violated in a way?

wrt.

Sorry I don't know what this means so the sentence containing it is incomprehensible to me, so my next interpretation might be wrong:

I don't think anyone has really evaluated men's interest in women-women relationships wrt. paraphilia as women's interest in male-male relationships as the same.

Are you saying straight dudes jerking to lesbian porn (or rather "lesbian porn", usually two straight girls directed by a straight guy to try not to cringe while barely touching each other) is not paraphilia, but straight chicks masturbating to gay porn (or rather "gay porn", usually some drawing of two males by a straight woman), is paraphilia? If so, what is the reason for the inconsistency? But again I could be wrong because I'm lost at "wrt."

I don't give a good god damn about what should be, and would rather concern myself with the way things are, and after which, we can sort out the morality, and moral hazards that follow. But I won't try and obscure anything that's topically relevant.

Ok? Are you implying that I did do that? Or am doing the opposite?

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I disagree that "gold star" is meaningful as an identity for gay and bi men. That's all. I think your reply, by my experience, is an invention--one that is designed to satisfy women. As if men and women were equivalent in these topics. I don't think so.

I do take well your point about heterosexual or bisexual women with a lesbian identity, but I think that is readily juxtaposed with men who want to be "100% sure." And could one ever be 100% sure? (Reductio ad absurdum--has one met everyone of the opposite sex?) This is the constant anxiety that men who are fond of men face. And if we're being terribly honest, you see that anxiety playing out day-by-day. It's not just pure hedonism that motivates gay and bisexual men.

So we've come full-circle in some regards. Both for men, and for women.

The social disapprobation for men being fond of their own sex is vastly larger than that of women. By Western, heterosexual standards, women into women is "hot," and if you will excuse me for a moment, entirely heteronormative--for the enjoyment of men. (Touching on feminism there.) I don't think anyone has really evaluated men's interest in women-women relationships wrt. paraphilia as women's interest in male-male relationships as the same. But heck, new horizons. The latter being a recent topic of investigation. Both are porn categories--really, they are--and they may not be for the same reasons. But each taken on its own is rather telling.

I don't give a good god damn about what should be, and would rather concern myself with the way things are, and after which, we can sort out the morality, and moral hazards that follow. But I won't try and obscure anything that's topically relevant.

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[–]usehername 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I was just making a different point but downplayed that issue in my wording.

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Nah it's fine. Sometimes people don't realise it happens with homosexual males or forget it happens.

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Transition can only help if it's your body that's the problem, not if you just think you'd have an easier time socially as the opposite gender, which is 95% of trans people these days.

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That doesn't necessarily mean anything, that's very common especially for young children who haven't been fully indoctrinated yet. This recent boom of detrans women is the result of political correctness insisting that not conforming to stereotypes must mean you're a different gender.

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I did, but I didn't know that's what it was.

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It's true. They generally do it when they're severe masochists. It's a lot less common than with lesbians, but they still outnumber actual gays. Didn't mean to gloss over the issue.

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I know a few bi dudes who call themselves gay, it just doesn't happen as much as bi women calling themselves lesbians.

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Is there not such a thing as a gold-star gay? Such a term is not in common parlance, at all.

It actually is. The term actually originated with gays, partly as a joke. Whee you get a little star for not having to torment yourself by trying to have heterosexual sex.

Lesbians are more concerned with this subject because of the hordes of non-lesbians who call themselves lesbians. That doesn't happen as much with gays because of their status. No guy wants to call himself gay unless he absolutely 100% is.

edit: changed "by" to "into"

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On second thought, what does being a gold-star lesbian have to do with it.?

Is there not such a thing as a gold-star gay? Such a term is not in common parlance, at all. Why not? Is there no such thing as a gold-star gay? Gold-star--look at the connotations of those words--is only applied to women. What fresh hell is this?

Just by the numbers, we must have gold-star gays. Yet, they're not flaunting it around.

If we could figure out that disparity, then I think we would all be better off.

A weird sort of social capital, really, what sex you have had sex with. Noun, verb.

Do men not much care? Likely. Do women afford more importance to these topics? Seems to be.

They're both subject to similar societal pressures to find the "right" sex, but yet only one seems to make a big fuss about it.

My intuition is thus: gay men comprise one class. Lesbian-identified women comprise at least two. Not every gay women cares about the label. Some do, some do not. No gay men care, whatsoever.

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Gay men also did that, were they also kicked out?

Yes.

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It's incredibly sad and pathetic that they shut down over some relatively minor disagreement concerning goldstars and non-goldstars. I think the DropTheT movement is starting to gain some traction. It was trending on twitter a few days ago, and I'm starting to gain some hope that it can be successful. I initally thought they temporarily shut down as a joke for pride month or something. Now it's just ridiculous.

If we want to build the movement, we must have major central hubs for discussion about it, outside of invite-only radfem websites. Especially since this issue concerns all LGB members (obviously lesbians are by far the most affected but still), it's important to have a central hub for all LGB of many different political stripes to discuss this issue. Not just radfem L's and female B's.

I understand that constant forced teaming is part of the problem of why we got here in the first place, and why our spaces are being taken away from us, but for central issues like this, I think it's important that all LGB cooperate together if we want to tackle this issue successfully. Silly infighting about who's the gayest be damned. I hope they reopen one day. The sooner, the better.

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[–]BiHorror 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Conservatives were doing it with conversion therapy and forced sex changes (ex Iran). Liberals are doing it with queer theory.

I would gladly sacrifice abortion to save gay marriage by HPFL in LGB_Discussions

[–]BiHorror 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Then you are flushing our next generation down the toilet. Abortion is murder and Gays should oppose it. It’s not just murder, it’s fucking genocide. Want to stop unwanted pregnancies, ban heterosexuality.

There's a billion people on this planet. Abortion isn't going to cause extinction to the next generation. Abortion isn't murder nor genocide (even if it was: the mother's life is more important, she has an established identity in the world). Most gays are for Abortion, especially lesbians. You can't ban something that is the majority.

The vast majority of abortions are by heterosexual women who either wouldn’t go on the pill or whose boyfriends were too stupid to use condoms

Then I rather then have an abortion if desired. They're not responsible not to have children.

Furthermore, why don’t Gay babies have the right to life? Why should heterosexual women be allowed to continue to systematically abort our future?

You can't differentiate between a "gay/bi baby" or "straight baby". A fetus is a fetus.

How pathetic is it that LGBDropTheT is still private? by aHobbitsTale in LGB_Discussions

[–]gloomy_bear 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I've heard of plenty of homosexuals being kicked out/banned for being anti-radfem. Idk why, but I've saw many people getting offended by you being a goldstar. I have no dog in this fight, but you have every right to be proud of being a goldstar. I can understand silverstars being real lesbians (or had sex once and only once with another male but never again), but there's many replies saying MEN/plural. I looked in the archives of your posts on archive.vn btw. Like uh no. No real lesbian does it multiple times. That's called being bisexual. I am a bisexual woman and I am pro goldstar & platinum star.

How pathetic is it that LGBDropTheT is still private? by aHobbitsTale in LGB_Discussions

[–]jay-day 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

It's still being private is really funny though. I know that them dogpiling me because I'm a gold star was what caused it but I didn't know that me bringing up homophobia in the radfem community was also an issue. Gay men also did that, were they also kicked out?

I would gladly sacrifice abortion to save gay marriage by HPFL in LGB_Discussions

[–]Cass 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Abortion is murder

That's what most religious people think homosexual sex is. Here's the logic: sex which cannot end in procreation = masturbation = you're not giving someone the chance of being procreated = murder

Onan's sin was a mortal one and all he did was pull out.

How pathetic is it that LGBDropTheT is still private? by aHobbitsTale in LGB_Discussions

[–]aHobbitsTale[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I actually welcome the blatant homophobia, and what follows is my consideration of it.

It's a rare thing nowadays to find someone willing to voice their honest opinion. The Internet provides, and the Internet censors; more frequently. I also harbor nothing against a person experiencing what is often a visceral reaction. How could I say that homosexuality is innate, but simultaneously deny that someone else might have an innate, negative reaction to it? Innateness, of course, being the justification of the former, but not the latter. That's not a fair shake. I could also mention that heterosexual behavior can produce disapprobation, but the mechanism is justified differently. We don't let heterosexual couples have at it in the grocery store, right? Yet, the underlying mechanism--aimed at propriety--very well could be the same. I hold no double standard, and it is in this, that I think one can find common ground with the common sentiment on this site. Excesses, in any formulation, are subject to curtailment, no?

I don't think that the common Saidittor is necessarily concerning themselves with homosexuality. Rather, it is the unheard-of-here, now-common activist who is scrutinized--who wants to round up some, but not all, atypical formulations of sexuality into one big cohort--LGBTQ+--and have out their personal pathology with it. Trans of course being the hot topic. There is a curious calculus about who is included, and who is not. I'll posit that various formulations of human sexuality, uncommon as they may be, confound the popular initialism. Some are popular, others are not. What gets included, what gets excluded, and why? It is merely what is fashionable--be wary.

That trans is gay 2.0. That the constituent letters in the initialism are a "community." Nonesuch. That the Lesbians, Gays, Bisexuals, and Trans folk, nevermind what comes after the plus, all know each other, like each other, and share a common goal? Certainly not! That's not a definition of community.

More broadly, now.

Another reply indicated that... I shall provide an interpretation now--a person of the following constitution--proud, gold-star, lesbian, radfem--that thus a person so constituted could have badgered an entire philosophy into hiding? I didn't expect such cowardice. I'm ashamed on your behalf--myself being a person who is different; thought I shouldn't need mention it. Peace comes from within, not from without. I saw such strength just months ago, and now I can only formulate your objection to the trans phenomena as that of your own insecurity. Imagine achieving ones' own goals yet those that drive oneself further into isolation. This is my most important point--success means succession? You are not whole. You are shadows of what you could be. You are not you. Be more. Do more. Know more. Lead. I am thus here, and I am at peace with myself.

Can you not do the same? Can you not find it in yourself to be my bulwark? Can you not back me up?

My reaction follows:

Oh come off it. How many times have I thus heard that transsexualism has been decided in a smoke-filled backroom by men drinking expensive whiskey? If there is any patriarchal conspiracy, it is thus: men have put rather tasty morsels of food in glass jars with the lids on so tight that only males can extricate the contents. A rather simple, but effective conspiracy, if I were to engage in such a thing. Women, obviously, can be fascinated by a piece of ripe food.

I've never been invited to these meetings, I'll have you know. Perhaps I don't have sufficient misogyny, to deprive them of tasty foods, sans my testosterone-grown muscles.

When all else fails to make the math come out, that a conspiracy is required, I suggest that you don't have full grasp of the subject matter.

How pathetic is it that LGBDropTheT is still private? by aHobbitsTale in LGB_Discussions

[–]bopomofodojo 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It really is pathetic. I joined Saidit specifically because of LGBDropTheT, but without it, most of the site is now nothing but obnoxious right-wingers with their blatant homophobia. The successor communities (including this one) are basically vacant shadows of LGBDTT. All over yet another pathetic jannie squabble and temper tantrum.

How pathetic is it that LGBDropTheT is still private? by aHobbitsTale in LGB_Discussions

[–]gloomy_bear 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

One of the reasons why it's still private is all to do with a proud goldstar lesbian, and mentioning homophobia in the radfem community on ovarit. When the mods didn't like it, they privated the sub. I agree it is pathetic that it's still privated, and I even sent them a message to get in the sub. Never got a response back.

I would gladly sacrifice abortion to save gay marriage by HPFL in LGB_Discussions

[–]usehername 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're reporting my comments to the only active mod. Me.

I would gladly sacrifice abortion to save gay marriage by HPFL in LGB_Discussions

[–]HPFL[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Then you are flushing our next generation down the toilet. Abortion is murder and Gays should oppose it. It’s not just murder, it’s fucking genocide. Want to stop unwanted pregnancies, ban heterosexuality.

The vast majority of abortions are by heterosexual women who either wouldn’t go on the pill or whose boyfriends were too stupid to use condoms.

Furthermore, why don’t Gay babies have the right to life? Why should heterosexual women be allowed to continue to systematically abort our future?

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[–]HPFL 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

“Everybody does it“ is neither a defense or true.

I would gladly sacrifice abortion to save gay marriage by HPFL in LGB_Discussions

[–]HPFL[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

While literally every other party sacrifices the next generation of Gays to the tr-nscult slaughterhouse.

I would gladly sacrifice abortion to save gay marriage by HPFL in LGB_Discussions

[–]BiHorror 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Eh, I choose both, but picking one would be abortion. Abortion, while it mostly affects straight women, it still helps lesbians and (same-sex leaning) bisexual women. Especially in cases of rape, accidents, questioning, and IUI/IVF (ex pregnancy ends up threatening the woman's life). Marriage? Depending on how one sees it, was a thing created for men to keep a hold on women. The only good that comes from marriage is the benefits provided.

Japan court says ban on same-sex marriage constitutional by usehername in LGB_Discussions

[–]BiHorror 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What are you on about, mate? I'm saying that Japan should try to remain having their culture (which is conservative idea) but improve their human rights. You know, lighten up on their mistreatment. Not even only for LGB, but also women, and disabilities. Didn't think I need to explain that...

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[–]BiHorror 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Realistically? Both have/are doing it (Depending where you are certainly depends). I dislike liberals, and what they done, but let's not act like conservatives are sunshine and rainbows.

Do you believe in "biphobia"? by usehername in LGB_Discussions

[–]BiHorror 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Define that and give me examples.

I already gave you my personal definition. I stated that biphobia is the discrimination against bisexuality. I even used an example of mixed race discrimination. That is not exactly black/white, and that people experience specific things issues only related to them, and not the two groups they're from/similar to. Examples of biphobia is the mistreatment of bisexuals based on stereotypes (ex women are sluts, men are in denial gays, and they're cheaters) and outright inaccurate ideas (ex bisexuality doesn't exist).

When someone spits on you in the street, yeah. When someone online says "you're a slut" it isn't.

Depending who it is said towards, and the reasoning behind it can both be discriminatory... You do realize discrimination isn't only about action right? By that logic, if a black person is just called the n-word, it isn't racism. Just because white guy didn't beat them up, doesn't mean he isn't racist. He is still discriminatory.

Gay males experience more actual death and rape. The only death and rape threats or actual actions that would happen to a bisexual are due to their homosexual side. When has a homosexual ever threatened to kill or rape you for being bi? This is what I'm talking about with real discrimination and hate.

Mate, you're really trying to play Oppression Olympics here. I'm just stating that lesbians are seen to receive it more, and people are shown to acknowledge that. Doesn't mean it doesn't occur to gay men. Remove the sexual orientations, and this would just be the same "b-b-but men experience it too!!!!" scenario. Jesus, now I know what lesbians meant... Also, rape that is reported isn't done by homosexuals, but mostly straight men when it comes to bisexual (women). You really think a phobe is gonna differentiate between the two? They don't care to, as long as they know you're capable of same sex attraction, they'll attack. "Real discrimination or hate" this isn't a competition, and all these things are real forms of discrimination and hate.

Again, bihet isn't a real thing. Maybe if you're into Twitter, then sure. Because it is no different to the "homo/heteroflexible" crap or any other nonsense LGBTQ+ has coined. A bisexual is a bisexual. Regardless if they're more same or opposite sex leaning. They aren't straight, they aren't gay.

I would gladly sacrifice abortion to save gay marriage by HPFL in LGB_Discussions

[–]usehername 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Your precious GOP is about to fuck you on that one.

Do you believe in "biphobia"? by usehername in LGB_Discussions

[–]usehername[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The discrimination towards bisexual people for being bisexual.

Define that and give me examples.

If you're rude to someone based on something they can't control, race, sexual orientation, sex, etc. That is seen as discriminatory.

When someone spits on you in the street, yeah. When someone online says "you're a slut" it isn't.

rape and death threats

Gay males experience more actual death and rape. The only death and rape threats or actual actions that would happen to a bisexual are due to their homosexual side. When has a homosexual ever threatened to kill or rape you for being bi? This is what I'm talking about with real discrimination and hate.

Radfems have the idea of "political lesbianism" so you never really know which one of them is a real lesbian, but yes, some of them are. The basis of radical feminism and feminism in general was built by lesbians, radical feminism because lesbians assumed straight women were exactly like them. Political lesbianism is a gigantic part of radical feminist. Exalted radical feminist authors such as Sheila Jeffreys and Julie Bindel are political lesbians. Whether they are genuinely lesbians or not is moot because they believe lesbianism is a choice and they chose it, and so can all women.

There is no such thing as "bihet." .... the minority of bad bisexuals

History says otherwise, and unfortunately they are the majority of bisexuals. Just look at history. Societies where bisexuality was normal for 99% of the population. Compare that to now when bisexuals poll at about 30% of the population because homosexuals are more segregated from the general population and it's less acceptable to engage with them because now instead of being seen as normal, it's seen as being "one of them" even if one isn't. Though it's important to note that in these bisexual societies, homosexuals were treated much worse so this bit of segregation is a good thing. Homosexuals built communities from nothing.

The important part is this: what changed? Nothing changed biologically. Homosexuality has stayed at a pretty constant (approximately) 1% of the population. This is biologically necessary because most people need to breed. Nowadays with higher life expectancy and quality of life, our population is booming, so we really need to cool it on the breeding, but our biology doesn't know that. Still, in order to stay constant, almost everyone needs to have about two children, though we know with intellect (as opposed to biological urges) that more people need to have one or no children so we can gradually reduce the population.

In any case, the word "bihet" describes reality. Yes, these people are mostly (generally by a landslide) straight. They're also most people. This is biologically necessary to keep the population at least constant.

Did you suffer from childhood gender dysphoria? by usehername in LGB_Discussions

[–]usehername[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I asked because it's an anonymous website, but obviously you don't have to.

Log Cabin Republicans excluded from GOP convention by [deleted] in LGB_Discussions

[–]HPFL 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Again, which side is castrating the next generation of Gay boys?

Did you suffer from childhood gender dysphoria? by usehername in LGB_Discussions

[–]BiHorror 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Getting a bit too personal, aren't we? I've had my reasons, and I'm not going to go that far into them. One of them was already subtly stated of dislike for secondary characteristics.

Do you believe in "biphobia"? by usehername in LGB_Discussions

[–]BiHorror 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Such as what and what is biphobia? Some people being rude to a person? I'm sorry but I've never heard of a bisexual who was bullied to suicide for their bisexuality. Maybe from homophobic bullying. And I just really don't see rudeness as anywhere comparable to actual homophobia which involves violence and discrimination.

The discrimination towards bisexual people for being bisexual. Where such people do exist. I have, and when they don't commit suicide, they have negative mental health due to it.

many bisexuals experience a form of homophobia and call it "biphobia".

We know the difference. Mistreatment based on someone being bisexual isn't homophobia. They're not the same thing.

Can you give me an example of a bisexual being treated unfairly specifically for their bisexuality?

The ideas and attitudes some people will have towards bisexuals. Such as they're cheaters, promiscuous, attention seeking, etc. There's also the idea that people think bisexuality doesn't exist. That bisexual women are actually straight, and bisexual men are closeted gay men. That can't be classified as homophobia. Also, you do realize in that specific sect of my previous comment, I was referring to mixed race people right? If you're rude to someone based on something they can't control, race, sexual orientation, sex, etc. That is seen as discriminatory. Especially if you don't treat others, specifically those in the same group as you, the same way. That's unfair treatment.

real hate crimes, not just hurt feeling

The fact is most talked about is lesbians. Pretty sure giving rape and death threats towards lesbians, by transpeople, is a hate crime. Just because they weren't treated as horribly as gay men were in some societies, does not make it any less of a hate crime.

"radfem lesbians" aren't actually lesbians because radical feminists think lesbianism is two women rubbing their divine femininities together and you can choose to become a lesbian. The whole "women have a fluid sexuality" was specifically pushed by radical feminists because they wanted women to try to become lesbians

Wait, so those exclusively same sex attracted women I met who also shared RadFem interests/ideas weren't actually lesbians??? Regardless of how you feel about Radfems, sexual orientation doesn't work like that. There can be genuine lesbians in RadFem (there are), because it has to do with feminism. The idea of "women have fluid sexuality" is not pushed by women, it's pushed by men. The group you're referring to as trying to "make lesbians" are political lesbians. NOT radfems.

1% is still bisexual. They're bihets. I just keep seeing bisexuals who are strict about definitions when it comes to gay and lesbian suddenly decide that these particular bisexuals aren't also bisexual so they can put themselves in a different category from people who do bad things.

A spicy straight isn't bisexual. There is no such thing as "bihet." It has nothing to do with distancing ourselves from the minority of bad bisexuals. Some chick who kisses another girl in the actual scenario where she wants men's attention is not bisexual. She's a spicy straight.

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[–]BiHorror 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

more proof that Gay conservatives are the only Gays who actually are Gay.

Yeah, no. Being gay isn't about being conservative or liberal. It's just sexual affection. The only real gays there are is exclusively same sex attracted men (and women). Regardless of where they lean in ideas. Again, you could agrue about Gay marriage being "conservative" all you want but homosexuality doesn't work like that.

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[–]BiHorror 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If that's what you believe, then sure. But, the definiton of biological sex isn't really conservative. It's scientific (science is not liberal or conservative).

Japan court says ban on same-sex marriage constitutional by usehername in LGB_Discussions

[–]usehername[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think you responded to the wrong one here.

Japan court says ban on same-sex marriage constitutional by usehername in LGB_Discussions

[–]HPFL 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, it’s racist because they are light enough already. It almost fucking sickens me the way they put white culture on a pedestal. If they were any lighter, they’d be invisible.

Japan court says ban on same-sex marriage constitutional by usehername in LGB_Discussions

[–]HPFL 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Did you hear, homophobia is woke now.

Japan court says ban on same-sex marriage constitutional by usehername in LGB_Discussions

[–]HPFL 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is not conservatism. Using the state to forbid gay couples from getting a marriage license is flat out communism.

Nintendo gives same-sex couples the same employee benefits as heterosexual married couples, despite Japan not recognizing them by usehername in LGB_Discussions

[–]HPFL 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Boo-yeah! Suck it, Sony!

Gay Lithuania MP sharply criticizes Russia by usehername in LGB_Discussions

[–]HPFL 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Ukraine is not a sovereign nation. It is an illegal occupation of Russian land by white supremacists and terrorists committing war crimes against ethnic Russians living in the Donbass. The myth of Russian homophobia is being trotted out by the West in order to justify white supremacist war crimes against people of color and to justify the continued eugenics of the trans cult.

Gay Lithuania MP sharply criticizes Russia by usehername in LGB_Discussions

[–]HPFL 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why are you defending white supremacy? Why are you defending the NATO terrorist shit holes and their crimes against people of color? Why are you denying the reality of Ukrainian homophobia? https://www.politico.eu/article/gay-ukraine-my-country-despises-me/

Indonesia summons Britain's envoy after furore over rainbow flag by usehername in LGB_Discussions

[–]HPFL 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You mean like the way they fetishize European communism? There is no culture more primitive than European “culture.” Europe is responsible for giving us both Karl Marx and Adolf Hitler. Europe has created nothing but war, poverty, and pestilence for the rest of the world. The rest of the world has had enough. We have had enough of European degeneracy. We have had enough of European terrorism. We have had enough of European imperialism. We have had enough of Europe.

Gay Lithuania MP sharply criticizes Russia by usehername in LGB_Discussions

[–]HPFL 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Russians are Asian and therefore of color and that makes them justified in using force to combat Eurotrash imperialism and terrorism. You’re the one who’s defending Nazis, not me. You’re the one who’s defending homophobic White supremacist European imperialism.

Do you know what other nation is in Asia and therefore is a nation of color? Israel! Do you know what else constitutes white supremacy? Absolutely are criticism of Israel whatsoever under any circumstances.

Log Cabin Republicans excluded from GOP convention by [deleted] in LGB_Discussions

[–]HPFL 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Gay marriage is conservative because marriage is conservative and so is biological sex. Stop trying to twist words while accusing me of doing it. That is projection combined with gaslighting and more proof that Gay conservatives are the only Gays who actually are Gay.

Gay marriage is a traditional value because acknowledging reality is a traditional value. The left is against marriage because they want to normalize simping.

Log Cabin Republicans excluded from GOP convention by [deleted] in LGB_Discussions

[–]HPFL 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There is nothing more conservative than two married gay white men who voted for Donald Trump. You’re not gay unless you’re a conservative at this point.

Log Cabin Republicans excluded from GOP convention by [deleted] in LGB_Discussions

[–]HPFL 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Why are you defending the left when they and they alone are responsible for eugenics against homosexuality?

We need to strategize. by usehername in LGB_Discussions

[–]HPFL 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That’s what they said about Israel.

🏳️‍🌈 June 🏳️‍🌈 by usehername in LGB_Discussions

[–]HPFL 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I meant what I said. It isn’t bad enough you have to use verbal terrorism against me, but you have to insult an entire species of cattle to do it.

The future is going to be 100% gay and any attempt to subvert homosexuality will be treated as the capital crime it is. I’m not saying that to be cute. That is a promise, not a threat. All opposition to homosexuality and all deviation from the homosexual norm will be eliminated by every means necessary. By EVERY means necessary.

Jarrin Jackson | Oklahoma state Sen. candidate, Christian nationalist, conspiritard, homophobe, big-league grifter, and literal traitor to the United States. by usehername in LGB_Discussions

[–]HPFL 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You obviously are by asking that question.

Jarrin Jackson | Oklahoma state Sen. candidate, Christian nationalist, conspiritard, homophobe, big-league grifter, and literal traitor to the United States. by usehername in LGB_Discussions

[–]usehername[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

All opposition to the GOP and Trump constitutes treason.

Are you trolling?

🏳️‍🌈 June 🏳️‍🌈 by usehername in LGB_Discussions

[–]usehername[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It’s not “bullying,” a speciesist slur if ever there was one

What?

We need to strategize. by usehername in LGB_Discussions

[–]usehername[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That just sounds far outside the realm of possibility.

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[–]usehername 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why are you going to such lengths to present conservatism as good and pro-gay when it very clearly isn't?

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[–]usehername 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There is nothing more conservative than a gay marriage between two white men who voted for Donald Trump.

What.

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[–]usehername 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Homosexuality is conservative because it depends on the conservative definition of biological sex.

Mental gymnastics. The definition of biological sex is a scientific one. It's been politicized but it isn't inherently political. Gay marriage and rights aren't conservative. I suppose I could say it's "conservative" of me to want to conserve those rights, but conservatism is about conserving "traditional" values and bringing us back in time to a point that we didn't have them.

Gay Lithuania MP sharply criticizes Russia by usehername in LGB_Discussions

[–]usehername[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How is the war for oil "white supremacist"? Russians are white. Half their country is on the continent of Asia, yeah, but they're not Asians. And Ukraine is a sovereign liberal (comparatively) country that is about to pass gay rights legislation.

So Russia was not on Hitler's side. Okay. A deal fell through and Russia wanted to be the biggest superpower. And Ukraine was there as part of the USSR during this time, so they also "beat Hitler". Russia is an oligarchy and Christian theocracy. They're an evil anti-democratic conservative country that hates gay people, and now they feel entitled to Ukraine even though Ukraine would rather be free and liberal and support gays. They're trying to progress as a country but Russia wants more land to control. Why are you defending them?

Indonesia summons Britain's envoy after furore over rainbow flag by usehername in LGB_Discussions

[–]usehername[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree with this. "Liberals" have a bad habit of being too permissive and engaging in a racism/classism of low expectations, as well as fetishizing primitive cultures.

🏳️‍🌈 June 🏳️‍🌈 by usehername in LGB_Discussions

[–]usehername[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's been co-opted, but how would abolishing it help? Establishing it in the first place was an enormous step.

We need to strategize. by usehername in LGB_Discussions

[–]usehername[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Atheism is just antisemitism extrapolated onto every other religion.

What?

Why should we continue to support the left

We're 1% of the population. We're not supporting the left. The left is supporting us, barely and in a brain-dead way. The philosophy of liberalism gave us our rights. "Conservatives" don't want to conserve what rights we have, they want to conserve "traditional values" and bring us back to a time when we didn't have rights. Most liberals aren't intentionally using the trans issue to hurt gay people. They're just retarded and don't notice it happening, and many of them would not care even if they knew, but it's not as if conservatives care more (or at all) about gay rights. There are plenty of brain-dead liberals who are compassionate and just think trans is gay2.0 and just support it without thinking about it.

🏳️‍🌈 June 🏳️‍🌈 by usehername in LGB_Discussions

[–]BanditMcFuklebuck 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

omg, I wasn't paying attention....I'm so used to humorless redditors....it's like the abused cringing away from a gentle caress....thank you for this!

🏳️‍🌈 June 🏳️‍🌈 by usehername in LGB_Discussions

[–]HPFL 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It’s not “bullying,” a speciesist slur if ever there was one, when you bring it on yourself.

Flagged for dragging down the pyramid of debate, which is an antisemitic metaphor to begin with because it trivializes the enslavement of Jews by Egyptians. All responses constitute homophobic harassment and will be similarly flagged.

Now I’m deadly serious about making homosexuality mandatory.

🏳️‍🌈 June 🏳️‍🌈 by usehername in LGB_Discussions

[–]BanditMcFuklebuck 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Early in the sentence: calls my comment smugly unfunny

Later that same sentence: Uses nasty, bullying tone to demonstrate exactly what my comment was commenting

🤣

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[–]HPFL 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Homosexuality is conservative because it depends on the conservative definition of biological sex. Ergo gay marriage and gay rights are conservative causes because they all involve conserving homosexuality by conserving biological sex.

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[–]HPFL 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Where have you been? Log Cabin doesn’t care about Gay people anymore. They are tr-nscult enabling RINOs. They even sabotaged the California recall by endorsing Bruce Jenner over Larry Elder. Even in their mailers they can’t even use the word Gay anymore so they lump us in with the T in that damn acronym. There is nothing conservative about them, unless it is a false strawman definition created by the heterodegenerate left to prop up the heterosexual agenda. Heterosexuality is sexualized communism.

I don’t trust RINOs. Only RINOs support the T. Try again when you actually support Gay conservatism, and that is inseparable from a traditional definition of biological sex. There is nothing more conservative than a gay marriage between two white men who voted for Donald Trump.

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[–]HPFL 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The meathead couldn’t even get gay marriage legalized without one of George W. Bush‘s lawyers. What the hell were baby boomers thinking making him a TV star in the 1970s?

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[–]HPFL 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Neoliberalism and the left have nothing of value to offer gay people and you know it.

Christians mad secular movie has secular values by [deleted] in LGB_Discussions

[–]HPFL 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We need a Gay version of PureFlix to remove all instances of opposite sex fornication from movies and television shows.

Christians mad secular movie has secular values by [deleted] in LGB_Discussions

[–]HPFL 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Stop taking the side of Disney. The right wing is right about them. They are groomers. The movie sucked because they use Lesbians to prop up a crappy nonsensical script that destroys an iconic character by making him look like a dipshit in a way he was not in the first three Toy Story movies. There’s nothing pro-Gay about that. That’s pandering. You should be joining the attacks on Disney. They ignored us for years and years and still to this day will not even acknowledge our existence without also pushing tr-ns propaganda. A long time Gay male employee sued them for discrimination last year. Not only that, they used ABC News to spread lies about the Florida parental rights bill while they send their cruise ships to countries where homosexuality is illegal. And don’t get me started on their pandering to China, one of the most racist and homophobic countries in the world today. Or the heterogrooming going on.

31 Patriot Front members arrested near Idaho pride event by usehername in LGB_Discussions

[–]HPFL 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Perhaps we should only bake cakes for Gay weddings.

🏳️‍🌈 June 🏳️‍🌈 by usehername in LGB_Discussions

[–]HPFL 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Smugly unfunny bigoted comments like that are why homosexuality should be mandatory.

🏳️‍🌈 June 🏳️‍🌈 by usehername in LGB_Discussions

[–]HPFL 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I fucking hate it and I want it abolished unless it can be taken back by Gay people and made more militant.

We need to strategize. by usehername in LGB_Discussions

[–]HPFL 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We need a Gay nation. We meet all the qualifications for it. We need a place where gay people are the dominant class. We need a place that is just for us. We need a military.

All the justifications for Jewish nationalism can and should be used for Gay nationalism.

We need to strategize. by usehername in LGB_Discussions

[–]HPFL 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Atheism is just antisemitism extrapolated onto every other religion. Our leftist “allies” stabbed us in the back. Why should we continue to support the left when they have declared war on us and used the tr-nscult as a weapon against same-sex attraction?

Indonesia summons Britain's envoy after furore over rainbow flag by usehername in LGB_Discussions

[–]HPFL 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

“Be respectful of cultural sensitivities“ is just another homophobic dog whistle. This is more proof that not all cultures are equal and that cultures that accept Gay people are superior to cultures that do not. Fuck your cultural sensitivities, you fucking savages. Gays know what’s best for you.

Gay Lithuania MP sharply criticizes Russia by usehername in LGB_Discussions

[–]HPFL 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Western propaganda to manufacture consent for a white supremacist war for oil against a sovereign Asian nation that beat Hitler.

Supreme Court to decide whether businesses may refuse LGBTQ couples for same-sex wedding services by usehername in LGB_Discussions

[–]HPFL 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It’s harder to find ones who support gays and just gays, not all this other abusive and offensive TQ+ shit.

‘Secret City’ reveals long hidden stories of gay purges in federal gov’t by usehername in LGB_Discussions

[–]HPFL 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They are still trying to destroy us by using eugenics on our next generations.

Another new high reached in support for same-sex marriage: poll (71%) by usehername in LGB_Discussions

[–]HPFL 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Let’s get that number up to 100%. You shouldn’t even be allowed in this country unless you support same-sex marriage and acknowledge the reality of biological sex. I am more than willing to support amending the constitution to enshrine both of them in stone permanently.

SB 107: Trans Refuge Legislation | LGB Alliance USA by usehername in LGB_Discussions

[–]HPFL 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He also reinforces the stereotype of the predatory homosexual. Check his hard drive for CP, and I don’t mean cerebral palsy.

Bill to repeal Maryland sodomy law dies in committee by usehername in LGB_Discussions

[–]HPFL 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hets and tr-nscultists should have all their income forcibly re-distributed to Gay people as reparations for homophobia and eugenics.

Bill to repeal Maryland sodomy law dies in committee by usehername in LGB_Discussions

[–]HPFL 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

After all these years they are just another confederate backwater. John Waters changed nothing except to prove that Aunt Ida was right and her words should be LAW!

Jarrin Jackson | Oklahoma state Sen. candidate, Christian nationalist, conspiritard, homophobe, big-league grifter, and literal traitor to the United States. by usehername in LGB_Discussions

[–]HPFL 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Drop the T and drop the ChristianiT.

Jarrin Jackson | Oklahoma state Sen. candidate, Christian nationalist, conspiritard, homophobe, big-league grifter, and literal traitor to the United States. by usehername in LGB_Discussions

[–]HPFL 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Communism has not done shit for gay people. It is yet another form of weaponized heterosexuality. No, it is not treason to admit that Trump won, the election was rigged and, and these freedom fighters are a well-regulated militia authorized by the Second Amendment to the US Constitution to do whatever is necessary to take it back All opposition to the GOP and Trump constitutes treason. The real insurrections were when they tried to impeach him and neoliberals committing literal terrorism in the defense of killing babies, including and especially gay babies. Any gay person who is not a conservative is not actually gay. Homosexuality and conservatism are mutually inclusive at this point. Liberalism has declared war on same-sex attraction and the only way to fight that war is to as far to the right as possible. Homosexuality is right wing because biological sex is right wing because accepting reality is right wing. Trump won. Accept it. We the people did not vote for a racist, tranny worshiping, neoliberal pedophile war criminal.

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[–]HPFL 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Tax and spend while giving neo-Nazis OUR money, tr-ns the gay away, hate Israel, hate white men, hate monogamy, hate physical fitness

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[–]HPFL 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sorry, Wizard of Oz auditions are over and the role of the straw man has already been cast. Homosexuality is social conservatism because it depends on a traditional definition of biological sex to exist at all.