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[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Good video.

However, sex work is not degenerate. It's a service that is unfairly demonized, and obviously not for everyone. But yes, it should not be on the flag.

I hate that they have stolen the natural rainbow spectrum from the rest of humanity and science. I won't stoop to saying they "perverted" it, but the fact is that the world, including children, can no longer use the rainbow without having sex/gender dragged into it. They could have had all the colours but in a different order. Fuck the people who pushed it on us, and as a formerly occasionally bi man, I will never ever accept it as any kind of representative symbol.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Good video.

Thanks!

However, sex work is not degenerate.

It degenerates the moral foundation of society, exploits women, and exploits the working-class. Sex outside of marriage is immoral, cause it objectifies and commodifies the human body (as Capitalism does), it's dangerous (prostitutes are often killed, get STDs, etc.), and if you have a kid: you won't know who the father is, let alone have a father in your kid's life to give them direction, discipline, etc. — and the mother probably won't be there for them either, or she'll abuse them.

I hate that they have stolen the natural rainbow spectrum from the rest of humanity and science.

Who used the rainbow flag before LGBT? (I'm gen Z, so I obviously have no clue.)

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

People say LGBTQ+ is degenerate. Doesn't make it so.

The moral foundation of society has bigger issues than consensual relationships and transactions. "Authority" is the problem.

Legalize sex work, license it if you must, provide actual legal and court protections, and you'll get a much more civilized "rough trade." This is NOT unique to Western culture and has been done. Of course it can never be a 100% cure for the evils of the world but you certainly would cut down on the moral decay, exploitation of women and the working-class.

Sex outside of marriage is immoral,

That's like your opinion man.

cause it objectifies and commodifies the human body (as Capitalism does),

Not new. There are MUCH bigger evil fish to fry.

it's dangerous (prostitutes are often killed, get STDs, etc.),

Government and their police are dangerous to humanity. Maybe if they actually served and protected EVERYONE the prostitutes would also be safer.

and if you have a kid: you won't know who the father is, let alone have a father in your kid's life to give them direction, discipline, etc.

Sure it's a problem, but again, the system is designed to support single mothers over families. Address that first.

and the mother probably won't be there for them either, or she'll abuse them.

Now you're making absurd HUGE judgmental leaps again. Just as you did when accusing me of being a pedo. Next you're going to say all people who kiss are rapists because that's where it inevitably leads, and anyone who drinks beer or has an aspirin is a potential heroin junky because they're gateways. You don't need to be a prostitute to abuse kids.

After Indian reservations, gambling came to Windsor Ontario, then Detroit, and now it's around, and a problem for a few, but not the epic demon they pretended it would be.

The whole Universe used fun happy non-sexualized rainbows, from Sesame Street to physics to Leprechauns to Mork's suspenders which I used to have as a kid. It has been STOLEN.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

People say LGBTQ+ is degenerate. Doesn't make it so.

Being LGBT doesn't inherently degenerate your morality, although it certainly can, in the same way being straight can — and asexual people don't even want to have sex, let alone degenerate sex. Selling sex is inherently degenerate for the reasons I mentioned.

The moral foundation of society has bigger issues than consensual relationships and transactions.

Yes, but that doesn't mean we should ignore all the little issues.

"Authority" is the problem.

Authority is the solution; we need a strong leader who can whip the country back into shape and lead us to victory over the enemies of the Nation.

Legalize sex work, license it if you must, provide actual legal and court protections, and you'll get a much more civilized "rough trade."

If you make so'm legal: it increases in demand (for you eliminate the fear of punishment), and if demand increases: so will supply; legalization will only lead to more exploitation, more indulgence in prostitution, and more degeneracy.

Pornography is legal (and easily accessible, even for minors), but the porn industry still exploits women and the working-class — and acts as an opiate to keep the workers docile; they won't demand better pay and working conditions, if they're too busy masturbating, and the Capitalists can make a quick buck while they're at it, taking money away from vital and legitimate forms of business.

That's like your opinion man.

It's an objective fact that having sex outside of marriage puts you in danger of contracting an STD, being used for your body and thrown away like garbage, being mistreated by an abusive partner, and can result in single mothers being forced to raise children on their own — and the damage done to these children will be severe: they won't have a father to care for them, and their mother may be forced to work long hours to provide for the family (as she should, in such case), thus not having the time to care for them as much as she otherwise would (and for the children of prostitutes: they won't have even their mother's affection).

Keep in mind that my definition of marriage is not a legal one, but a personal and religious one: marriage is a bond between two people, one that cannot be broken by vice and selfishness, one that will persevere through hardship — legal marriage is merely a piece of paper, and cannot provide the same security as a true marriage.

Government and their police are dangerous to humanity. Maybe if they actually served and protected EVERYONE the prostitutes would also be safer.

A righteous government would make everyone safer, and act in the best interests of the People — but this is not our government, our government serves only the elite, and this is a problem that must be addressed before any other can possibly be solved!

Sure it's a problem, but again, the system is designed to support single mothers over families.

That's the problem: we have systems in place that not only disrespect family values, but act in spite of them — often designed by Republicans who claim to support family values, but in reality support merely the values of the elite.

Now you're making absurd HUGE judgmental leaps again.

Prostitutes are often more concerned with money than family — although there are certainly prostitutes who will turn their lives around for their children (bless them). I don't hate the prostitute, I hate prostitution — it is for the well-being of the sinner that I seek to exorcise the demons in possession of their soul.

Next you're going to say all people who kiss are rapists because that's where it inevitably leads

Kissing is not inherently degenerate, unlike prostitution.

and anyone who drinks beer or has an aspirin is a potential heroin junky because they're gateways.

Alcohol is the gateway drug and should be banned; it's inherently degenerate — even more so than prostitution — cause it causes criminal activity, impedes upon logical and moral judgement, and brings out the worst in one's personality.

You don't need to be a prostitute to abuse kids.

I never said you do.

After Indian reservations, gambling came to Windsor Ontario, then Detroit, and now it's around, and a problem for a few, but not the epic demon they pretended it would be.

Downplaying the effects of an immoral act is the standard tactic in persuading the righteous to turn a blind eye — but not me! I will pursue the complete abolition of such exploitative institutions as gambling.

The nine percent of my parentage derived from Native Americans cries out in pain when the descendants of great warriors such as the Cherokee defile and dishonor their tribe's name by attaching it to casinos and bars — to such degenerate institutions!

The whole Universe used fun happy non-sexualized rainbows, from Sesame Street to physics to Leprechauns to Mork's suspenders which I used to have as a kid. It has been STOLEN.

I'm asking about the flag. If someone sees a rainbow on a TV show: it ain't immediately associated with LGBT, but if that rainbow is on a flag: it is.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Our bodies and sex are natural and normal. Animals understand this. There were once many very real problems in society for careless sex so society and religion have demonized and stigmatized many aspects of it. Visit any nudist group (camp, beach, event, etc.) for more than a minute and you'll realize this after your initial shock wears off. They're just people.

Yes, but that doesn't mean we should ignore all the little issues.

Agreed. But pick your battles within proportionate prioritization.

Authority is the solution; we need a strong leader who can whip the country back into shape and lead us to victory over the enemies of the Nation.

This is fucking ridiculous.

The entire system is rigged. All good strong leaders will be dealt with accordingly, from ridicule and marginalization to assassination. Tow the status quo or have your power stolen and you liberty stomped on. That is how it works.

If you make so'm legal: it increases in demand (for you eliminate the fear of punishment), and if demand increases: so will supply; legalization will only lead to more exploitation, more indulgence in prostitution, and more degeneracy.

False nonsense.

Portugal legalized all their drugs and their problem went down. Potatoes became popular in Europe because they created a false scarcity with them centuries ago - just as they are pretending that only the rich are getting the vaccines now.

Pornography is legal (and easily accessible, even for minors)

Yes, this is problematic - in a culture of prudes.

...acts as an opiate to keep the workers docile; they won't demand better pay and working conditions, if they're too busy masturbating

Pure speculative nonsense. Seriously, how do you make such absurd leaps?

...and the Capitalists can make a quick buck while they're at it

Nothing new here. It's universal across every aspect of life.

...taking money away from vital and legitimate forms of business.

More wild baseless crap that I wouldn't even give the honour of calling it "speculation".

I wanted to respect your return to SaidIt by giving a proper response but this stuff is so absurd on it's face that I simply can't bother to waste either of time with this infantile "debate" over cliched inaccurate extremist worst-scenario conservative talking points.

A righteous government

Oxymoron. All governments are mafia governments with a monopoly on violence, and are always corrupt, and by the tendency of their very nature they can never be righteous. You can find thousands of righteous whores before you'll ever find a single righteous government.

Prostitutes are often more concerned with money than family

You do NOT know that. Sure some might, but many may be turning tricks to feed their family.

it is for the well-being of the sinner

Fuck your moral superiority and judgementalism. That's what got you into trouble a couple weeks ago.

Also fuck all religions and their God myths - a different kind of bullshit authority.

Downplaying the effects of an immoral act...

Immoral to who? You? Leave it to your imaginary God to judge. Live and let live.

I don't like nor condone prostitution, gambling, or excessive substance or media abuse. Instead of banning or demonizing them we should develop help and treatment centers for them with productive, fulfilling, and meaningful alternatives and solutions to their vices of weakness.

If someone sees a rainbow on a TV show: it ain't immediately associated with LGBT

10,000% FALSE.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Fighting over the Pride flag (15:56) ~ J.J. McCullough, Jul 3, 2021
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3OeoB_7y-0

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That's the video I was talking about.

[–]Brewdabier 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What a load of crap.

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

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