ColonizationThe “Lesbian” Bar Isn’t Dead. It’s Pouring Orange Wine in Los Angeles. (Quotation marks my own)

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[–]NutterButterFlutterStill waving into the void 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

as a nonbinary person, they find the term “lesbian bar” unreliable, as it might be used to connote anti-trans ideas about who can, and cannot, identify as a woman.

As it should.

“But if I see that a bar is ‘lesbian and queer’ or ‘lesbian and trans,’ it denotes this is not just a gay bar,” they said. “This is a really safe space, and it’s changing the narrative of what it means to be a gay bar, a lesbian bar or a queer bar.”

Oh fuck right off. Get your ass out of lesbian spaces and stop trying to rewrite what the word means to suit your agenda.

This isn't a lesbian bar, it's a "queer" or LGBTQ+ bar. Next.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 13 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

In conclusion, “The Lesbian Bar is Actually Dead AND YOU WON’T BELIEVE WHY.”

If you don’t think lesbian bars are for you then don’t go to them and go to the many bars that explicitly cater to you. It’s weird that it’s not just that they don’t want to go to lesbian bars, they don’t want any lesbian to have that option.

As a non-Lithuanian, I‘m not trying to get the local Lithuanian club to redefine itself to cater to me and re-brand itself as a “Club for Lithuanians and Non-Lithuanians.” Most people would recognize that as narcissistic behavior.

[–]JulienMayfair 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

You can just boil it down to their usual modus operandi:

Step 1: We demand to be included in your space even though we don't like you.
Step 2: Now that we're in your space, we demand that you leave.