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[–]NutterButterFlutterStill waving into the void 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The fact that any opposition to "queer" is instantly labelled "anti-trans" is telling where the agenda is coming from. But lets not ignore that there were and are actual homophobes in the crowds, and some of them either pretending to be or truly are supporters of Nazis.

None of us - LGB or TQ+ - are supporting or enabling Nazis. The difference is, if Nazis show up at a TQ+ gathering, everyone coddles and supports TQ+. If Nazis show up at an LGB or a women-only gathering, everyone says the LGB/women support them and must be punished.

Homophobia is a whole different story though. TQ+ only recognizes it when it comes from the groups they've deemed unworthy - otherwise they are some of the worst perpetrators of it all on their own.

[–]JulienMayfair 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

More broadly, what we have is two groups who have decided that working out differences within the rules and procedures of civil society doesn't work for them, and, thus, they have turned to mob rule and mob violence. And that kind of thing draws in all sorts of horrible people, the kind who are attracted to violence for its own sake. Mobs attacked speakers on college campuses, and now we have other mobs attacking those mobs. Those silencing mobs should have been quashed as soon as they appeared, but they weren't.

Gay rights was a matter of ethics, and sexual ethics could be debated -- and were. The problem with genderism is that it's a matter of ontology. The proponents of gender ideology are demanding that people participate actively, using the threat of legal or extralegal coercion, in what a huge number of people feel is an incorrect description of basic reality. I distinctly remember the moment when I realized the scope of that demand and the scope of the backlash it would almost invariably generate, especially when the apparatus of the state, i.e. public education, is being used to teach it to their kids.

[–]ChunkeeguyTeam T*RF Fuck Yeah[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It’s really unfortunate that Kelly J K didn’t stop her gathering and denounce or at the very least distance it from the real life Nazis who turned up in Melbourne. Instead of two groups of awful men raging at each other, the story became about the women who just wanted to be heard.