LGB NewsIn the latest twist: Colorado Springs shooter is non-binary and uses they/them pronouns

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[–]TransspeciesUnicornI sexually identify as a mythical sparkly equine 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Damn, I wonder how all the TRAs who were trying to blame this on TERFs are going to spin this now?

And I really wonder what his motive was now. Did one of the women at the club reject him? I really hope they're not going to try to keep this story all hush hush now like they did with the Dana Rivers trial.

[–]ChunkeeguyTeam T*RF Fuck Yeah[S] 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

It could just be a desperate attempt to escape hate crimes charges, which wouldn't surprise me in the least - but it's been fascinating watching both sides leap to conclusions without waiting for any details to emerge. Social media really has created a huge divide in human relations in the west.

[–]Wanderingthehalls 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think you will find that anyone who says they are trans is trans. I mean it's what we've been told for years. Very angrily. And told no-one would pretend to be trans in order to get away with a crime. It never happens. Only right-wing reactionaries would ever imagine such a scenario. Because they hate trans people.

I am very sorry for the people that died and their families who are grieving them. It's fucked up that they died and fucked up that their loss is part and parcel of this fucking circus. But I think that started the minute their deaths were announced and the TRAs immediately jumped to blaming the LGBA, JK Rowling, anyone who is concerned about child safe guarding at drag events marketed to children, etc. So I have to confess that I'm also now just waiting to see how this 'revelation' will obviously be dismissed by people who have angrily shouted about anyone who says they are trans being trans.

(And I'm not saying Aldrich isn't just using this as a defence tactic. That could very well be the case and tbh, it would be remiss of defence lawyers to not use it, considering that their job is to minimise consequences for their client. But whether or not Aldrich really does identify as an NB or not, the next round of TRA hypocrisy will be very revealing.)

[–]Virginia_Plain 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Both this and the Pulse shooting had very weird cross talk about the motives of the shooter. There was talk of Mateen, the Pulse killer, at first being a closeted gay man and there were even interviews with a guy who claimed to have had sex with him. I attended a ceremony where the speaker said that Mateen was driven by society to hate himself and his sexuality, and so had lashed out by carrying out the killings. The FBI dismissed these theories however. Apparently Mateen did cheat on his wife, but only with other women.

His connection to Islamic fundamentalist terrorism was definitely true, but some have even wondered if he targeted Pulse specifically due to the clientele. He apparently typed "Orlando clubs" into a search engine shortly before doing the deed, though a lot of gay bars will be designated as such when you make searches like that. There was the possibility, however, that those at the Pulse bar were unfortunate enough to simply be the most convenient target.

What does not change in either case is that innocent people were horrifically murdered. Probably the most haunting "WHy Did he Do It?" shooting for me is still Sandy Hook. All I see is the haunted, wide eyes of the shooter, and apparently he destroyed nearly all the evidence of what his motives were.

[–]ChunkeeguyTeam T*RF Fuck Yeah[S] 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I found the whole saga fascinating. The right trying to deny the sexuality of the victims and focusing on the Islam connection, the left rushing to praise Islam and deny any connection and entirely focused on the genderosexualphobia aspect.

[–]JulienMayfair 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

He had already changed his name a few years ago, so there may already have been signs of some kind of identity disturbance. And then there was the bomb threat last year.

[–]Wanderingthehalls 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I mean if I'd grown up with everyone knowing my dad was a pornstar known as Dick Delaware I'd probably change my name too.

[–]JulienMayfair 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That fact came out after my post.

But yeah, his whole family history sounds chaotic, so who knows what his motive is going to turn out to be. People on subs like AGB have been assuming that he's a right-winger, but what if he turns out to be an angry NB incel who hoped to kill someone who'd rejected him?

[–]TransspeciesUnicornI sexually identify as a mythical sparkly equine 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

But gee, I thought no one could ever pretend to be trans to get away with crimes? Maybe he is "pretending" to be NB, but by TRA logic that's not actually possible. If the only requirement for being NB or Trans is identifying as such, then him claiming to be NB means that's just what he is now.

So either TRAs can admit that self-id is and always was a terrible idea or they can follow their own rules and honor this guy's "identity". Cuz I'm sick of their hypocrisy. They're always screaming how "misgendering" is lItErAl ViOlEnCe, yet they so often seem to be first in line to misgender dudes like this or the big fake tits shop teacher or Yaniv.

[–]INeedSomeTimeAsexual Ally 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I also find it funny that somehow identifying as trans should lower the possible punishment. So are the trans actually the most oppresed minority ever, which is always at risk of being murdered or actually a privileged class thriving on its made-up victimhood?

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not only that, but they get to be placed in women's prisons which are generally lower security and they get the run of the place.

[–]Beryl 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It could just be a desperate attempt to escape hate crimes charges

Why would you shoot up a gay club without wanting hate crime charges in the first place, though?

[–]saidit458 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This is just a cheap strategy to avoid hate crime charges. He had the chance to change his name and he did; he changed it to another male name. He's still a straight man who was radicalized by right wingers.

"Non binary" and queer are meaningless, even as academic words used in "scholarship" because, as anyone in this forum knows, they can and do mean anything and theyre always used against gays and lesbians. A Neo-nazi heterosexual man who wants to kill gay and lesbian kids but likes to wear pink socks and helps his wife around the house with baking can technically be more "queer" than the gay and lesbian kids he's chasing with a knife.

Putting a slice of lemon in your water as a heterosexual man can make you non binary. This doesnt mean it's not a hate crime. Using non binary as a shield would be like a KKK member killing black people and then saying he enjoys chicken and watermelon so he's practically black himself, no hate crime happening.

[–]Rationalmind 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Putting a slice of lemon in your water as a heterosexual man can make you non binary.

A Neo-nazi heterosexual man who wants to kill gay and lesbian kids but likes to wear pink socks and helps his wife around the house with baking can technically be more "queer" than the gay and lesbian kids he's chasing with a knife.

This is exactly the argument. It’s rooted in backward stereotypes of men and women.

[–]INeedSomeTimeAsexual Ally 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Wow I wonder if TRA brains are melting now

[–]JulienMayfair 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I decided to hold my nose and see what they were saying about it on the lgbt subreddit.

One of them wrote:

They aren't trans. It's a lie.

Even while claiming shooter is faking being trans, this person still can't bring themselves to call the shooter 'he.' Because they're that afraid of committing blasphemy.

[–]INeedSomeTimeAsexual Ally 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Shooter, who killed people in a gay bar somehow isn't trans. But a sexual abuser, who raped his mother, must be refered to as "she".

[–]Femaleisnthateful 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

It's almost like it's the type of victim which determines the validity of a trans identity...

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

No true Scotsman.

[–]Chocolatepudding 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Haven't I always said they're like incels, jeez.

[–]Femaleisnthateful 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I've been monitoring media coverage before and after this latest twist. It went from dominating headlines with the narrative being about right-wing radicalization, to being scrubbed altogether. I checked WaPo (which went after Libs of TikTok) and Slate. Literally no reference to the shooting at all.

[–]GreykittymommaMagical lady 💜 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They are a loser, whatever they are.

Self-hate is strong with these NB losers so naturally that hate extends outward...

[–]automoderatorHuman-Exclusionary Radical Overlord[M] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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