DiscussionMatt Walsh

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[–]chazzstrong 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

He's definitely Conservative to the core...however I think he doesn't want gay marriage for the same reason people, such as myself, don't want it: marriage is a religious institution, and most biblical texts for any religion are fairly straight-forward ( hah! ) on the idea of same-sex marriage. He also wants government out of marriage, and it handled entirely by the church which is how I think it is supposed to be.

This is what I mean when I say it's a weird position for us...to be aligned against the progressive gender identity you end up on the side of right-leaning people and conservatives which, as someone who is LGB, is an awkward and precarious position to be in.

[–]JulienMayfair[S] 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Well, that's not what Walsh was saying about marriage. He was claiming that marriage is all about procreation and that because the gays can't have their own biological children, we shouldn't be able to get married. But then, what about my straight friends who got married only to find out the wife is infertile and can never bear children? Should their marriage then be nullified?

We slogged through every permutation of ALL those arguments exhaustively in the 90s and the 00s. Gay people made their case to the point where 55% of Republicans support it and 87% of Democrats. The Respect for Marriage bill passed the Senate 62-37 with 12 Republicans voting for it. Walsh is saying that they should all be kicked out of the Republican Party, so what about the 55% of Republicans overall who support it? Should they be kicked out, too?

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Agreed. I saw his "reproductionist" arguments, and I didn't think they were sound; They collapse under the most preliminary of prodding.

I think he's a smart guy, but also an ideologue, which tends to decrease one's apparent intelligence rather reliably.

Disappointing, but I appreciate his What Is a Woman film and his 'Small Talk' video anyway.

[–]JulienMayfair[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

One thing I remember clearly from the 1990s is that the word 'marriage,' for a certain percentage of people who were extremely attached to their sentimental concept of marriage, made them go completely bonkers. They totally stopped making sense, and they didn't care.

I read one talking about some "original meaning of marriage." So if you go back in history, you're talking about daughters basically being property you traded to someone for marriage as a form of alliance -- or women as property in general.