DiscussionWhat future does LGBDTT have (and perhaps even SaidIt), now that Cloudflare has dropped KiwiFarms?

submitted by NutterButterFlutterStill waving into the void from self.LGBDropTheT

There are very few websites that are free specch and do not hold back. We've all heard of 4chan, 8chan, KiwiFarms, etc.

From what I understand, Cloudflare didn't drop KiwiFarms because of their views. The CEO even said a day or two previously that personal feelings and morality of what KF hosted wasn't an issue, and the company would stand in support of them. But then suddenly that was backtracked upon, and KF got booted.

From what I can tell, it was because of fedposting. A sleeper agent began threatening violence, which is of course, not OK on any forum. So Cloudflare took action against a perceived threat to human life by getting rid of the website, even though KF nearly immediately deleted the post and actioned the user.

It is very coincidental that this all happened because a TIM kicked up a fuss on social media after being doxxed on KF. And the TIMs followers have been watching and waiting to share anything that could support their idol and show KF to be the bad guys. Knowing how social media is, this all feels staged and planned and manipulated to me.

Cloudflare did make our SaidIt host, M7, get rid of a group in the past by the way - that was IP2. It was either IP2 goes or SaidIt would be taken offline.

I wonder what everyone thinks about the future of LGBDTT, considering the past and present actions.

Do we have a chance to survive if another terminally online TIM throws their users at us, at SaidIt, or at CloudFlare?

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[–]lunarstrain 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Do we have a chance to survive if another terminally online TIM throws their users at us, at SaidIt, or at CloudFlare?

Depends on how big the campaign is, honestly. Kiwi Farms had rumors floating around that they had been responsible for the death of multiple TIPs for years now, not true but a very seductive lie to a lot of the internet. That helped make it all the much more simple to remove them. The site we're on right now doesn't have that great of a reputation, but nowhere near as universally hated by TIPs.

It also helps that Drop The T is an actual movement, meaning we have in-person groups, too. So whatever happens to us online, it won't put a stop to our organizations and get togethers. Oh, and the dark web is always an option, not difficult to set up a very basic forum on an .onion site if necessary.

[–]RippoffOfLoveSStraight | Overuses quotation marks 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh, and the dark web is always an option, not difficult to set up a very basic forum on an .onion site if necessary.

Way ahead of you ;)

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The problem with the dark web is that it’s easy to get lost in it. It’s like a rabbit hole. So we must set up shop on backup sites.

[–]jjdub7TERF (Trans Exterminating Reactionary Fascist) 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Huh? My experience has always been the exact opposite - it's very hard to actually get anywhere because there are no active search engines and the URLs are all gibberish.

[–]antares 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I have tried to start a discussion board on the dark web before partly because of the convenience of not having to set up a domain name with a registrar. It was something I used with my friends and friends of friends to discuss video games and anime. It very quickly attracted the attention of dark web spammers that offer services for fake vaccine passports, forged documents, stolen credit cards, and so on.

We did not represent an ideology, a movement, or talk about politics much beyond current events, but if you are not careful and vigilant you can quickly become associated with illegal operations.

[–]MoutonelectriqueBland Straight ♀ 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, I think we can survive. Let's face it, KF survived quite a bit and has less rules than for example us,. With that in mind, KF is seen as a far right nazi doxing forum and all very angry terrible people. Whether it is true or not, it doesn't matter: that's their public image and that doesn't help. It sells the story quite nicely that they are the underdog.

We, however, have don't have that image which makes it harder (not impossible but harder) to target us a very angry nazi's. On the other hand: sites known to have CSA material and god knows what else of horrific shit, are left alone. That's something to keep in mind.

If we can manage to be and stay civil (and I for instance could be a bit eh... nicer) and back up everything we say, we should be more or less fine. Archive things, show the world the evidence that was out in the open to begin with and they WISH would vanish (one thing I like about the old school forum style is that you can easily find things back).

Anyway, It might be difficult but not impossible. I do think we all need to keep a cool head.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I hate feds. Those people are dangerous. Look for warning signs, and if you spot a fed, expose him as a fed.

[–]Wanderingthehalls 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

KF isn't actually gone. It's still there, on the regular web. How long it will last, I don't know but apparently KFers are currently hopeful it may survive .

[–]TransspeciesUnicornI sexually identify as a mythical sparkly equine 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I'm hopeful that since we're a lot smaller and don't have a reputation for being a big stalking/doxxing movement and don't allow overt racism and anti-semitism like KF does that we have a decent chance for survival.

Still scary as hell though that one TRA can get something as big as KF shut down over one fake threat though. "Oppressed minority" my ass. The trans community must be the most powerful "oppressed" group I've ever seen.

[–]INeedSomeTimeAsexual Ally 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Never seen bigger backlash for questioning a minority group than when it happens to trans people. You can legitimately be ready to get your reputatiom destroyed to ashes if you even raise a finger. Insane.

[–]cars 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

KF is responsible for 3 alleged suicides, two of which are trans-identified people. Julie Terryberry (a biological woman) had a thread on KF, but from what I understand her suicide wasn't a result of her thread, but instead a relationship she was in. Some speculate that Near/Byuu didn't commit suicide, but I'm not exactly sure about that -- and even still, Byuu's thread was only 13 pages before the alleged suicide, so any harassment Byuu may have faced certainly wasn't spearheaded by the Farms.

Porn sites have caused way more suicides than Kiwi Farms has. Tons of women commit suicide and face harassment when their revenge porn is uploaded, and that could be stopped if porn sites were shut down. But because no more porn sites means TIMs can't coom, they'll never campaign to shut down porn sites, no matter how many people they hurt.

[–]Newzok 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm leaning towards the whole thing being a government psy-op of some kind. I can't prove it, and certainly there's private individuals and organisations bankrolling it, but the sheer scale and the way critics fare on media platforms is mighty suspicious.

[–]jjdub7TERF (Trans Exterminating Reactionary Fascist) 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sooooo glad everyone here sees through that vile moron Keffals' very obvious false flag, even as Taylorenz and her Wapo drones gush accolades for poor widdle op'wessed Lucas.

Null (the owner/operator of KF) may be controversial for his past hardline stances on free speech absolutism, but this is exactly why he's one of the most important people on the internet - he's one of the few that will never, ever acquiesce to the Borg, and so the Borg has decided that he must be destroyed.

That being said, KF isn't dead. Just use Brave and you can access the NEW .Onion Tor site URL http://kiwifarmsaaf4t2h7gc3dfc5ojhmqruw2nit3uejrpiagrxeuxiyxcyd.onion/

These demented activists can never be allow to operate with impunity, even if all we can do is document their foul behavior.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

From what I can tell, it was because of fedposting. A sleeper agent began threatening violence, which is of course, not OK on any forum. So Cloudflare took action against a perceived threat to human life by getting rid of the website, even though KF nearly immediately deleted the post and actioned the user.

Do you mean this as a literal fed or just some "opposition"?

This was the SOP for the trans brigades on reddit "AgainstHateSubreddits". They would pick a sub to attack then spam crazy shit including CP into the subs until reddit would take down the sub.

[–]NutterButterFlutterStill waving into the void[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not an actual fed, no. From what I read, it was a sleeper agent who woke up to all of a sudden start posting violence and threats. It's called "fedposting" because it's meant to attract the attention of the feds.

[–]antares 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you are looking for free speech on the clearnet, consider a different format of websites. Neocities states itself as a pro-free speech platform. It is both connective, communicative, and self-expressive to much greater extents than forums and social media. But as its format is not discussion, the tactics of taking down discussion boards like 4chan, 8chan, or Kiwifarms does not apply as well if at all to begin with.

[–]stunaep 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We're back!!!! When did this place reopen? I wanted to make a celebration post but submissions are restricted?