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[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Sooooo ... I've considered myself persona non grata here since the privating and my departure.

But I think in light of recent developments, I should speak up also. I'm not willing to just slink away and subjugate you and me and all of us. I still believe in what we are doing, even if I won't be a mod anymore or actively participating.

I think our host is looking for a reason to get rid of us now that we have proven to be not-Drama and more work than expected. WPD and Cringetopia also proved to be a lot of work for them, but especially WPD since they have a brand/image they want to maintain. Cringetopia pulled the plug on themselves, but apparently WPD got taken over unwillingly.

I paid for our site resources until January 2023, and our domains are paid for until June 2023. I have no problem paying for our site until June 2023, as a nice and even boundary. I have been holding off giving any extra money until we see our site actualized. I know better than to tip a vendor for their services before they deliver. I can afford to throw away setup fees and take an L, but I'm not giving another dime until we get what we've been promised.

It's unprofessional to offer services, and then come back weeks later and try to strong-arm and gaslight customers into believing they were wrong for asking/accepting. True colors have been shown. It's not LGBDTT's fault for requesting, it's theirs for over-promising and not delivering. I don't care what the reasons are.

I've been willing to help every step of the way, and have been patient and understanding until we were shunned and silenced.

The dev I have been working with regularly is awesome (Snakes), but he got tasked with everything while his "bosses" abandoned him. He is also not a project manager and shouldn't have been put in that position in the first place. He promised things he and they couldn't guarantee, and I suspect he didn't even realize it. If Aev and Carp were in charge then they should have been there from the start and stated what can and cannot be done. That way NONE OF US would be sitting here with our thumbs up our asses with our main dev so overloaded that he has to ignore everyone.

I think we should still utilize the site as-is, but prepare to abandon ship and be on our own after the hosting expires. I don't know how to guarantee we can get the domains back, and I know creating a site on our own will take a lot of work and expertise. I don't know how it will happen or work. But I think we have nearly a year to figure it out.

I'm in if you are.

EDIT, now that I am catching up after writing this comment:

We have now been given what we were promised for launch to you all (flairs and notifications of bad words). So we do have the bare minimum to go public and can open up the site to you and anyone else. I don't believe anything else will happen after this.

[–]reluctant_commenter 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I think we should still utilize the site as-is, but prepare to abandon ship and be on our own after the hosting expires. I don't know how to guarantee we can get the domains back, and I know creating a site on our own will take a lot of work and expertise. I don't know how it will happen or work. But I think we have nearly a year to figure it out.

I'm in if you are.

  • I think that setting up our own site-- fully our own site-- would be a good idea, in the long run. Regardless of what we do in the short term. I'm still down to work on this. (see this thread for previous discussion)

  • I agree with Mark's comment-- we may just have to get a new domain name. I think that's OK. Even if rDrama people did decide to keep the current one and try to impersonate us, it's not like they're the first group to try to do so.

  • Correct me if I'm wrong: It sounds like the biggest issue with setting up our own site is that someone is going to have to bite the bullet and register some degree of personal info in order to reserve us a domain name. Is that correct? I'll look into ways to try to mitigate this. Finding technical expertise is a more solvable problem. (I'm down to try it, I'd just be incredibly slow on my own. A couple other people also mentioned they'd be interested, last time we had this discussion.)

  • I'm on the fence about whether or not it makes sense to switch to the new site. This is my biggest concern:

The "derailment" being referenced in the beginning is Carp posting a direct link to our site on rDrama (the second user to do so), and dramatards coming over to play.

I did not realize that Carp himself-- the owner of rDrama-- is the one who tried to bring trolls over there early. Given that he presumably holds the controls for the entire site... this does not seem like someone we should trust in any capacity.

We do deal with trolls here on Saidit. I think we always will to some extent, no matter where we go; we're LGB, several factions hate us for existing. But Carp choosing to do that is kind of some next-level fuckery. It's not like magnora, the owner of Saidit, is sitting there posting screencaps of our sub's posts on s/debatealtright or something; that's the most equivalent action I can think of. edit: Did Carp, or anyone else there, address what happened at all?

I hate to be negative about the new site after all the work that you guys have both put into it. But I'm just trying to be realistic here.

Also, I just want to say... this is an incredibly complicated problem we are dealing with, and I appreciate everyone pooling their collective brainpower to try to figure this out. If LGB weren't such a hated group in society right now, we wouldn't even be here. IPD/NBF, I hope you guys aren't beating yourselves up about this. You're doing the best you can and I appreciate you.

editing to add: In case it wasn't clear, if everyone wants to go to the new site, I'll go. As to whether it's the better option-- I could go either way right now. I certainly like the new site, layout-wise! I'm happy to post my content wherever... I'll still keep doing that.

Also, thank you guys for trying so hard to get a stable place for us. <3

[–]dramasexual 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

Small correction: Aevann is the owner of rdrama. Carp is just a poweruser/mod. Common confusion because Carp tends to act like he owns the place lol.

[–]reluctant_commenter 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Gotcha, thank you.