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[–]JulienMayfair 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

There are always the types of people who want to push every edge or boundary there is, just for the sake of being "edgy," and they always need to be kept under control.

The problem with them is that we seem to have forgotten over the past 10 years that it's important for LGB people to avoid even appearing to come after kids. I used to be a teacher. I understand the dynamics. Not only is it important for nothing inappropriate to be going on, but you have to avoid even the appearance of something inappropriate going on.

But the TQ+ mob doesn't get this, and they are hell-bent on marketing TQ+ ideas to kids -- at the expense of normal LGB people who support normal boundaries between what is appropriate for adults and what is appropriate for kids.

Activists love to shit on "respectability politics," but being respectable and behaving in a respectable way is actually pretty effective. Look at what the Civil Rights Movement did with Rosa Parks. The myth was that she just got tired of going to the back o the bus one day, but we now know the reality was that the whole thing was planned and that Rosa Parks was picked for that role because she had a blameless reputation and no skeletons in her closet. She had a spotless background in every way, and thus, no one could undermine her as a sympathetic figure. And it worked.

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Activists love to shit on "respectability politics," but being respectable and behaving in a respectable way is actually pretty effective. Look at what the Civil Rights Movement did with Rosa Parks. The myth was that she just got tired of going to the back o the bus one day, but we now know the reality was that the whole thing was planned and that Rosa Parks was picked for that role because she had a blameless reputation and no skeletons in her closet. She had a spotless background in every way, and thus, no one could undermine her as a sympathetic figure. And it worked.

I think this is the extent of modern kwir thinking when it comes to how to acquire rights. Not only are stories like the "first bricker" a misrepresentation of history to buff up the trans role in the Stonewall riots. But it also portrays spontaneous violent resistance as the only real method of getting what you want, when it's simply just the most visible and dramatic product of a long-term series of subsurface plans, actions and developments that went mostly unnoticed. It's like a person suddenly making a seemingly snap decision to do something completely life-changing without much conscious debate at all, when subconsciously, their mind has already been silently mulling over all the pros and cons of their present choice from all angles for years.

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But it also portrays spontaneous violent resistance as the only real method of getting what you want, when it's simply just the most visible and dramatic product of a long-term series of subsurface plans, actions and developments that went mostly unnoticed. It's like a person suddenly making a seemingly snap decision to do something completely life-changing without much conscious debate at all, when subconsciously, their mind has already been silently mulling over all the pros and cons of their present choice from all angles for years.

The main problem with the Stonewall worship pushed by the TQ+ is that it completely misrepresent the reality behind the achievement of gay rights.

It was only in the 2000s, decades after the riots, when gay and lesbian acceptance started to truly go up. It was not because of "queer politics", but assimilationist activism and the idea that gay people were just a part of the general population.