Indoctrination / Doublethink"Pride event in PA featured a stripper pole where they taught kids how to pole dance" - Libs of TikTok video

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[–]chazzstrong 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Yeah, the 'slippery slope' comment has gotten insane traction. Everything is being laid at the feet of same-sex attracted folks, because too many of us are letting the trans-lobby and their grooming kink attach it to LGB. And honestly, are they wrong? We're a sub of like 2k people, and there's small groups like LGBAlliance popping up here and there, but our numbers are DWARFED by trans lobby "allies". If you were a normie online, would you believe that the child grooming and gender theory bullshit is apart from LGB or together?

Another one I see being posted around again is this image which, to be fair, is kinda funny in a black-pilled kind of way. I mean a lot of those are dangerously close to happening, if they haven't already, and their biggest proponents are all the same TQ+ group that now represents us same-sex attracted folk on the world stage.

I don't buy into any of this shit, obviously, but it's not hard to see why so many zealots who were against gay marriage all those years ago would.

[–]IridescentAnacondastrictly dickly 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

LGB has its own legitimate problems. I realize my voice might be relatively unpopular here, but the recent self-righteous doubling down on defense of unhealthy behaviors in the wake of MPX is going to nail the coffin shut. We sexual minorities can exist only if allowed by the sexual majority, and thus optics are of paramount importance. It is not a good look to cry about muh sexual freedom when the rest of society is already suspicious of our (collective) sexual promiscuity and interprets our response to a disease outbreak as casual. You can see this happening on the general Saidit subs: a non-negligible fraction of general Saidit members have already written off gay men in our entirety.

While TQ+ doesn't help us, we are adding our own serious shortcomings to the negative perceptions, and I'm starting to think that our general unwillingness to call TQ+ out is part of a larger picture of self-absorption and failure to understand long-term consequences.

[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I realize my voice might be relatively unpopular here

I don't think so! I appreciate when you share your thoughts, anyway :)

MPX

Sorry, what does this stand for? To your broader point, though:

but the recent self-righteous doubling down on defense of unhealthy behaviors in the wake of MPX is going to nail the coffin shut.

Who's doing the self-righteous doubling down, though...? Are the people claiming to speak for LGB, actually LGB? Because I can say for the L, at least: social media "lesbian" opinions and famous "lesbian" influencers/celebrity voices are heavily dominated by... men. By autogynephilic men, to be precise. Of the small handful of out lesbian women there are do seem to be speaking up, I don't think a majority are actually being so irresponsible as this; in the UK, Allison Bailey, Joanna Cherry, Sonia Appleby, etc. are speaking up about it. Even among women, a number of the people claiming to be "lesbian" are actually bisexual or straight. I suspect that a similar pattern is happening with the B and G...

Perhaps I'm forgetting some people, feel free to correct me if I'm leaving anyone out.

You can see this happening on the general Saidit subs: a non-negligible fraction of general Saidit members have already written off gay men in our entirety.

I don't think people on Saidit are representative of the general population, though.

[–]IridescentAnacondastrictly dickly 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

MPX = monkeypox. While it's true that some organizations that speak about gay men's health are starting to recommend decreasing ones sexual partners (at least temporarily), you still have a lot of media messaging that bemoans the "threat to intimacy". I'm sorry, but for me random sex =/= intimacy. If you want to experience "intimacy" court someone for a few weeks before jumping into the sack. I know I don't have to tell lesbians this: you galz are generally better about maintaining relationship.

[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Ahhh, gotcha. Yeah, I saw the post about this the other day. I haven't been following the monkeypox issue closely at all, maybe I'll look into that. If LGB people are reacting that way to it, though, then that is really disconcerting.

The topic actually came up when I saw a couple of friends the other day-- both straight guys, AFAIK. One of them suggested that he was worried about monkeypox becoming widespread, and suggested that young children were especially at risk. The other looked incredulous. I made a jokey comment about toddlers having gay sex and the second guy laughed. We talked about it a bit more and clarified to the first guy that sexual transmission is more of a risk factor. It struck me that the guy who already knew about it was so hesitant to speak up about it, though. Maybe he thought I was going to get all offended or something... (edit: they both know I'm lesbian)

I'm sorry, but for me random sex =/= intimacy. If you want to experience "intimacy" court someone for a few weeks before jumping into the sack.

Lol that's a good point. I think maybe people forget this because "intimacy" is sometimes used as a euphemism for sex.

I know I don't have to tell lesbians this: you galz are generally better about maintaining relationship.

Hahaha, you're probably right, although unfortunately I think there is a subset of us who are terrible about not leaving unhealthy long-term relationships... strengths and weaknesses, lol.

[–]IridescentAnacondastrictly dickly 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think maybe people forget this because "intimacy" is sometimes used as a euphemism for sex.

Isn't this a clever bit of propaganda? Maybe not so clever. The author of the piece can't directly say "sex" because he knows he'll lose all the sympathy points. So he hides it behind "intimacy", which might provoke compassion: those poor gay men, unable to find true love because of the illnesses that keep happening to them, for some reason nobody knows why.

I've been in a state this last week because on the one hand I really resent the people who are committed to hating gays, all of us, but on the other hand it's hard to argue why they shouldn't hate at least gay men.

Anyhowz, thanks for your vote of confidence in my cranky comments :-)

[–]Wanderingthehalls 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Children are more at risk of serious illness (even death) with monkeypox than adults are. It's certainly spreading mostly through sexual contact but it can be spread through any close physical contact. And children are not only regularly hugged and cuddled but younger ones need to be carried, dressed, bathed, etc. So parents or other family members with monkeypox could spread it to a child by normal physical contact. A number of children have been infected in regions with larger outbreaks and a number of them have ended up quite seriously ill. If MPX spreads into a broader base of the general population then a lot of children do become very much at risk.

Tbh, this is not an LGB issue, it is an issue for gay and bisexual men. (Obviously not all of them.) At present, lesbians and bisexual women who are with women, are one of the least at risk sectors of society.

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I realize my voice might be relatively unpopular here,

Not with me! I may be on the left while you're more right-ish, but I look forward to hearing from you, whether or not I agree. Your thoughts are usually interesting, and your writing is always a pleasure to read. (Plus we both share a certain fondness for another reptilian gentleman...)

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It is not a good look to cry about muh sexual freedom when the rest of society is already suspicious of our (collective) sexual promiscuity and interprets our response to a disease outbreak as casual.

Most of the ones doing this are tabloid publications people mostly don't care about. Hell, even the media association between gay men and the pox is still a relatively limited thing.

It's not nearly on the level of the AIDS crisis and I doubt it's going to arrive on that point anytime soon.

You can see this happening on the general Saidit subs: a non-negligible fraction of general Saidit members have already written off gay men in our entirety.

Not surprising, as most people here tend to be more far-right, a common thing on most "alternative" platforms.

There are people on this site whose sole purpose in life is to stir shit on subs, including here before we went private. They're not representative of general people's opinion in the slightest.