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[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm glad studies like this are coming out. They shouldn't need too, it should be really fucking obvious suppressing hormones is a bad idea, but I guess this is where we are now. We need to conduct medical experimentation on children to determine if the bad thing is actually bad.

This is probably what's going to finally end this shit though. People aren't going to care about TRAs going after LGB people, they will care a lot about these sick fucks performing medical experimentation on children. What just needs to happen is evidence like this study getting out there so people can see it's not poor innocent trans kids being discriminated against, but rather the medical industry pushing experimentation onto vulnerable children.

[–]Hannibalboy93[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Pass this on to everyone you know, and use this as evidence, so we can put an end to this insanity

[–]INeedSomeTimeAsexual Ally 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It brings me back to a topic started on a different subbredit (which is made to convince people to change their minds about something they have the opposite view on but would like to understand why the other people approve it) and the topic was puberty blockers on kids. Well it was obviously brought up how it was used on "cis" kids and how apparently it's "proven" to be harmless. They showed links to several articles. I won't deny the articles could show such results but my field of specialization while not related to medication, but shows that there were often situations where scientists thought they found certain results through several studies and experiments but then got surprised by getting opposite results in other studies - forcing them to rework their theories. Also pharmacy has a story of thinking certain drugs are perfectly fine until people exposed to them started reporting often horrible side effects. I really think this is what will happen to puberty blockers.

[–]reluctant_commenter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

but shows that there were often situations where scientists thought they found certain results through several studies and experiments but then got surprised by getting opposite results in other studies - forcing them to rework their theories.

That often happens when there is fraud, data falsification, or p-hacking going on...

It would be incredible if most scientists actually followed the best practices of science. But "who watches the watchers"? There's little incentive for scientists to thoroughly check each other's work. The peer review process is arguably better than nothing, but on controversial subjects where one ideology dominates among the scientists studying those topics, it's not surprising that the truth gets hidden for so long...

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Also pharmacy has a story of thinking certain drugs are perfectly fine until people exposed to them started reporting often horrible side effects.

I learned more about this myself, recently; it seems like there may be a similar scandal in the works with antidepressant drugs. https://www.theinnercompass.org/learn-unlearn

[–]reluctant_commenter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Horrific. Thanks for sharing. Bone density loss is the most well-known harmful side effect of puberty blockers, but I always figured there were probably others that just aren't as well-known.

I can't seem to find the specific article in the screenshot, but here's an article by the Post Millenial about it.

[–]Wanderingthehalls 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think the cognitive dissonance around puberty blockers is insane. I follow gymnastics and figure-skating, especially the women's fields. Both are sports where teenagers can manage feats that adult women can't because our bone density and healthy body fat/muscle ratios as adults make certain jumps, like a quad jump in figure skating, likely impossible for adult women. In February during the winter Olympics, the Russian women's figure skating team was all teenage girls doing multiple quad jumps and there was a LOT of concern from skating enthusiasts about these girls long term health, including a lot of discussion around whether or not they are being put on Lupron to slow their adult development and how that will contribute to their long-term health problems that often start for these girls in their late teens.

Every single person who commented on on the use of Lupron to delay puberty in figure-skating/gymnastics was aware of how dangerous they potentially are to the long-term health of these athletes. Yet the same posters, would often have trans banners or 'protect trans kids' in their avatars or bios. It was utterly bizarre to me to see that these people fully understand the dangers of these drugs but are still gung-ho about their use for kids who claim to be the opposite gender as their sex.

[–]automoderatorHuman-Exclusionary Radical Overlord[M] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

RIP Snappy, I AM THE NEW GOD!

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