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[–]hufflepuff-poet 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

]CrisicMuzr 1616 points 1 day ago I can't imagine the stress they felt leading up to coming out to each other and the tremendous relief that would have rushed over them when they realized they could make it work. And then laughing at the absurdity of the situation later.

[–]makegoodchoicesok This is me and my wife. It was exactly like that lmao

[–]Gretchenmeows 626 points 1 day ago This is my Wife and I too. She came out as Trans and I very quickly realised I was a victim of Compulsory female heterosexuality and was actually gay AF. Now we are just 2 hot girls causing chaos.

I hate these people so much. Literally larping as us. Using their trans status to trap their newly out lesbian partners in a shitty straight relationship or forcing their bi/het female partners to pretend to be gay to validate their gender feelz. I'm ready to get off this clown ride 🙃🤡🤬

[–]Horror-SwordfishI don't get how flairs work 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Yeah, I think it's pretty strange and coincidental to "suddenly" realize you're gay as soon as your husband "realizes" he's actually a woman. And instead of just saying, "Well, I still love my husband regardless of his outward appearance and it doesn't bother me if he dresses and styles himself like a woman," they think that, and come to the conclusion that because they still love this person who now says he's a woman, that must make them a lesbian.

No doubt that this comes from the sort of mental gymnastics that trans people do like, "Well, I was always a woman, so the whole time you've been with me, I've been a woman."

I know that it's possible and not terribly uncommon for some gay person in denial to enter a heterosexual relationship, get married, and even have kids before waking up and realizing they're gay. But that usually involves leaving the heterosexual relationship. If your husband puts on a dress and grows his hair out and you maintain feelings of sexual attraction to him despite that, you're still straight.

[–]Aurelius 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Exactly, I'm curious what sort of conversations and activities this couple did to simultaneously lead them to this conclusion, of that is what happened. Claiming such is giving them a lot of attention anyways... But hey at least it spiced up their marriage for them?

[–]Horror-SwordfishI don't get how flairs work 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I have my doubts that the non-trans woman is actually a lesbian. I'm sure she's a lesbian in the same vein as transbians are lesbians, in that she feels like because her husband is a "woman" then that makes her a lesbian. But saying "I realized I should call myself a lesbian if my husband calls himself a woman" doesn't win anyone any brownie points. Dollars to donuts this woman is either deeply unhappy and staying in this situation for the supposed benefit of the kids or she is just mentally unwell as her husband and doesn't care what's being said about her as long as people are talking about her.

[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Exactly, I'm curious what sort of conversations and activities this couple did to simultaneously lead them to this conclusion

Probably not healthy ones. I posted this article about a horrific domestic violence case ages ago, committed by an AGP husband against his bisexual wife. Just horrible. In that case, the husband pressured her into staying with him and having sex with him by saying: "I'm a woman. If you're really bi and not just a straight woman, you should be attracted to me."

Which is utter nonsense... even if he were a woman, that wouldn't mean that other women have to be attracted to him in order to be bisexual!

[–]Aurelius 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What's sad is the amount of ""woman"" on women rape and violence registered in forensic databases is going up since many trans women are no longer being registered as men.

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, this really frightens me. How it's going to be used to further stigmatize lesbians, of course... and also as ammo against women's need for single-sex spaces/protection from male violence. Because if we women are just a bunch of brutal thugs ourselves, men must not really pose any threat to us, right? Hell, it might just as easily be the other way around! So when yet another dude-with-ladyfeelz is caught being predatory in the women's restroom, it'll be dismissed with, "well, that's just what you gals are like, after all!" :(

[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ughhhhhh. And all this just fuels stereotypes about lesbian women even more. We're one of the most erased demographics at this point... it drives me insane.

[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I know that it's possible and not terribly uncommon for some gay person in denial to enter a heterosexual relationship, get married, and even have kids before waking up and realizing they're gay. But that usually involves leaving the heterosexual relationship. If your husband puts on a dress and grows his hair out and you maintain feelings of sexual attraction to him despite that, you're still straight.

Honestly... there's more awareness of "transbians" these days than there is of real lesbians. Maybe they literally don't know what a lesbian is. Stonewall and HRC and media outlets keep claiming men represent lesbians, so maybe some people really ARE confused.

[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

or forcing their bi/het female partners to pretend to be gay to validate their gender feelz.

Yup. Which is a form of gaslighting... "Pretend you're only attracted to women and not men!" What a weird inversion of the typical pressure to hide one's same-sex attraction.

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Yup. Which is a form of gaslighting... "Pretend you're only attracted to women and not men!" What a weird inversion of the typical pressure to hide one's same-sex attraction.

Word. And of course the true irony here is: if the woman that he's married to actually did discover that she was a lesbian? SHE WOULD LEAVE HIM! "Guess what, honey? Turns out that we have something in common! We're both exclusively female-attracted... and feel that nothing less than a 'cis woman' will do! So buh-bye!" God, reading an account of it going THAT way would be sooo satisfying...

I wonder if any woman in this position has ever tried that? Or maybe claiming to have suddenly realized that she's a gay man? So, oops, now that you're a cute anime girl, hun, it's obviously not gonna work! Too bad! Now if you'll excuse me, I gotta go find myself a husband! [divorces his ass at the speed of sound]

[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I wonder if any woman in this position has ever tried that?

I've definitely seen accounts of lesbian women on the transbians sub (r/actuallesbians, to be clear... there are so many transbian subs at this point) expressing their lack of interest in dick and they get shamed and flamed for it every single time. I'm not sure how common it would be to have the revelation that you're homosexual at the same time as your male partner comes out as AGP, though.

Or maybe claiming to have suddenly realized that she's a gay man?

Lmao, that would be a 4D chess move.

[–]justagaydude123 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Poor kids don't stand a chance.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

For anyone in here who has any inclination to sympathize with the wife, don't. Her name is Amanda Jetté Knox. She's just as narcissistic and destructive toward LGB people as her husband. She went from looking like a basic white woman to someone engaging in stereotypical lesbian Cosplay beginning at the age of 40 when she and her husband decided to cash in on LGBTQ politics and make it their new career. This is all very amusing to her. She has since come out as non-binary and transed one of her sons. And I think she's also the one who wrote an op ed for the New York Times about wanting to expose her children to kink because it's an integral part of being LGBTQ.

The women who actively participate in this and court public attention and admiration for it are complicit, not victims. And sometimes are even groomers who actively want to trans their male partners so that they can pose as the dutiful, oh so supportive wife. She is no victim.

[–]MBMayfair 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ohhhh, THAT asshole. Yup, I 'member. Thanks for the heads up.

[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for the context about this person. That is absolutely horrible, especially the part about exposing her children to kink. What an absolute POS. My heart goes out to those kids.

The women who actively participate in this and court public attention and admiration for it are complicit, not victims. And sometimes are even groomers who actively want to trans their male partners so that they can pose as the dutiful, oh so supportive wife. She is no victim.

That's true, there's going to be some number of women like that and they're worth acknowledging. I haven't done a deep dive on it but I've also heard some stories from the "trans widows" community-- women whose AGP husbands transitioned and became incredibly aggressive towards them when they didn't play along. There are definitely different "subtypes" of women in that situation... in some ways, those different patterns of response may be as different as are AAP/AGP and HSTS.

[–]automoderatorHuman-Exclusionary Radical Overlord[M] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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