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[–]Rosefield 27 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 0 fun28 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Conversion therapy for gay men

[–]MoutonelectriqueBland Straight ♀ 24 insightful - 4 fun24 insightful - 3 fun25 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

I hope against hope the only attendees are a bunch of spicy straights. What a time to be alive: straightforward (ha!) heterosexual sex is apparently kinky in current times.

Goddamn, this is saddening and infuriating.

[–]GenderSpecial 20 insightful - 10 fun20 insightful - 9 fun21 insightful - 10 fun -  (0 children)

Sure to be a well attended session 😒

[–]INeedSomeTimeAsexual Ally 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Bruh, if I saw it with no context I'd legitimately believe it's a seminar run by anti-gay religious organization... I mean, it technically is but they were supposed to be allies for gay men.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, we’ve been subverted for a long time now. No thanks.

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Are they serious with this bullshit?

How can they be this disgusting and perverse? Do they have no shame?!

The funny thing is that if this was directed at lesbians ("sucking dick for Lesbian women"), at least people (the sane ones) would see it for what it was: a disgusting attempt to pressure lesbians to fuck fetishist straight men.

Fuck this stupid world...

[–]MyLongestJourney 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

The funny thing is that if this was directed at lesbians ("sucking dick for Lesbian women"), at least people (the sane ones) would see it for what it was: a disgusting attempt to pressure lesbians to fuck fetishist straight men.

Never heard of the cotton ceiling seminars,hosted under Stonewall's wings I presume ?Or the numerous guides for lesbian sex that somehow include instructions on how to deal with penises? Like this one : How do Lesbians Have Sex.Things to Know Before Your First Time which contains this vomit inducing expert :

"Before we talk about lesbian sex, let’s talk about what the phrase means. Usually, people use the term “lesbian sex” to mean sex between two women. If that’s the case, remember that those women might not identify as lesbian. For example, they could identify as bisexual, pansexual, queer, or even heterosexual. Sex between women isn’t limited to lesbians. Remember, also, that “lesbian sex” isn’t limited to cisgender couples. It also includes other people who have vaginas, people with penises, and people with intersex genitalia".

And the lesbian sex instructions include a guide on how to please someone with a penis both manually and orally :

Manually :

If your partner has a penis : There are many ways to manually stimulate someone who has a penis. Some ideas include: performing a hand job by holding their penis firmly and gliding your hand up and down; ask your partner which speed and pressure they’d prefer. gently rubbing or massaging the head of their penis. touching and rubbing their scrotum and perineum, which is the area between the scrotum and anus. touching the skin just outside of their anus. penetrating their anus with your fingers.

In the oral guide we have the following :

If your partner has a penis :You could kiss, lick, or suck the: penis scrotum and perineum inner thighs anus

They came after us first.

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Point taken.

Still, it's interesting to note how the TQ+ generally go for these more obscure, insular publications and not the more mainstream ones: it's almost like they know most sane members of society would see this whole insanity as a huge red flag.

[–]MyLongestJourney 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Trust me,everybody knows how insane this is. It is just that they have taken over both our LGBT orgs and the liberal media and brutally silence every opposing voice within the LGBT movement. I mean it is the reason why LGB drop the T was created in the first place. The Reddit one got purged after a year among with the r/truelesbians,r/truegays,r/trueLGB, r/gendercritical etc.

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Trust me,everybody knows how insane this is

I have to disagree on this one.

Most people don't even know a single TQ+ person in irl, and so have their entire worldview on this subject based on what the news or mass media shows to them.

How many people do you know irl who know what AGP is? I assume not many...

That's the battle that needs to be fought.

[–]MyLongestJourney 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What I meant is that the vast majority of people understand that sexual attraction is based on biological sex not "gender". I did not claim that most people are aware of the phychopathic rapeness of the TQ crowd.Even then,they would probably not react until that rapeness affected them or the ones close to them.As we have seen with parents going after the teaching of gender ideology to their young children or opposing the invasion of female safe spaces by men who ID as women.

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Even then,they would probably not react until that rapeness affected them or the ones close to them.

I don't think so.

Most people still think that LGB rights and TQ+ bs are one and the same, and so, seeing that this is not the case would be quite a shock.

Basides, most people know a thing or two about precedent and creepers. The "dating a MtF is totally a straight thing" has been on the background for years after all and the TQ+ assault on gays and lesbians can be seen as a thing that will give momentum for this shit to grow bigger.

The battle here is over information and to make the TQ+ garbage go public.

The average people need to know about AGP and the disgusting fetishists who are hiding behind trans identity to creep on people.

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

agree. too many normies don't have all the info.

[–]reluctant_commenter 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The funny thing is that if this was directed at lesbians ("sucking dick for Lesbian women"), at least people (the sane ones) would see it for what it was: a disgusting attempt to pressure lesbians to fuck fetishist straight men.

Unfortunately, a lot of people still wouldn't :/ I've tried to explain this to people IRL and they tell me I'm crazy.

I feel the same way, though. It's absolutely disgusting and these straight people should be ashamed of themselves. It's really telling who actually meant "all people are equal" and who was just sanctimoniously mouthing the words in 2015 before going on to promote conversion therapy in 2022.

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Unfortunately, a lot of people still wouldn't :/ I've tried to explain this to people IRL and they tell me I'm crazy.

It's because they think this isn't a thing, or you're exaggerating.

This is because TRAs aren't dumb enough to go after straight people, or show their dirty laundry in public.

There's people who even today still think that most Ts are poor HSTS who have to prostitute themselves to earn a living, which isn't the case for a long time already.

Do you think most people care to browse r/fetttttishhhh or any trans sub? Hell, most of them don't even have to deal with TQs on real life!

That's where the problem lies.

[–]reluctant_commenter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

or you're exaggerating.

Well I can tell you I'm not exaggerating, because there is a disturbingly high number of people on the left who see no problem with the homophobic "Cotton Ceiling" concept. In Allison Bailey's trial, for example, like half the witnesses said that they thought lesbian women were being transphobic for refusing to date transwomen! On record, in court! I mean, if you don't believe it's a thing, I invite you to take a look at r/actuallesbians, Reddit's most popular lesbian-fetishizing community.

That's where the problem lies.

I mean... yes and no. In my everyday, the biggest problem I face is from other "LGBTQ+"-identified people who freak the fuck out if I say something that at all conflicts with the trans lobby's party line. But I agree that a lot of straight people just don't know about what's going on, and that's because LGB people get censored online when we talk about it.

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

In Allison Bailey's trial, for example, like half the witnesses said that they thought lesbian women were being transphobic for refusing to date transwomen!

Most of the witnesses involved in that case were TQ+ and people who were linked to transactivism, which is not exactly what I would call a "normie crowd". It also doesn't help that the trial had a very limited reach outside of GC circles.

Most everyday people would find an AGP trying to shame a lesbian into fucking them objectionable in the same way they find the "traps aren't gay" bs to be objectionable: they know that sexual orientation is based of biological sex and what males and females are.

They see HSTS as gay men who are presenting themselves as female to catfish straight men and see the men who go after them as chasers and closeted cases.

The average joe view on TQ+ issues is outdated and that needs to change. People need to know about AGP and how these people are preying on lesbians and how Aidens are doing the same to gay men.

[–]reluctant_commenter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Most of the witnesses involved in that case were TQ+ and people who were linked to transactivism, which is not exactly what I would call a "normie crowd".

I agree that it's not a representative sample of the general population. However, I think it may actually be a much more representative sample of the types of people who get quoted in media articles. I can't show you a sample of people I've met in real life and their views; and unfortunately, til there's more data on attitudes towards LGB people that actually specifies that sexual orientation is defined on the basis of sex, we can only speculate about prevalence. Comments sections on news articles are sometimes more supportive-- but those are not population-representative samples, either.

Most everyday people would find an AGP trying to shame a lesbian into fucking them objectionable in the same way they find the "traps aren't gay" bs to be objectionable: they know that sexual orientation is based of biological sex and what males and females are.

I'd hope so, but the problem is that most people 1) don't believe this is happening and 2) don't believe that transwomen would ever do this, because transwomen have been pitched by left-biased media as the most oppressed minority group ever.

The average joe view on TQ+ issues is outdated and that needs to change. People need to know about AGP and how these people are preying on lesbians and how Aidens are doing the same to gay men.

Completely agree. And yes I agree there needs to be much more talk of how this is harming gay men. There is a view trumpeted by some in the GC/radfem movement that female detransitioners are all "poor innocent children" who cannot be blamed at all for transitioning... yes, some were children, but some are adults who freely made the decision to fetishize gay men. Their actions are creepy and deeply homophobic. And it's honestly infantilizing and condescending as hell, as well as unrealistic, for some people to suggest that none of the female transitioners had any agency whatsoever in their actions. (This has unintentionally turned into a rant, sorry.)

[–]reluctant_commenter 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Conversion therapy. Call it what it is.

The Evangelical Christians are the true hipsters of conversion therapy, they did it before it was cool. Now political liberals are on board. edit: To be clear, I am saying this in the context of recent U.S. history... there have been various methods of trying to force gay people to act straight for centuries, maybe even for as long as humanity's been around.

[–]automoderatorHuman-Exclusionary Radical Overlord[M] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

RIP Snappy, I AM THE NEW GOD!

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