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[–]jay-dayGold Star Gay Woman[S] 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I've been thinking about posting this for awhile since I've seen a post here about Ovarit's members disgusting views on gay men but the one I saw awhile back is gone (I think). But I saw stunaep's post (give it a read here: https://saidit.net/s/LGBDropTheT/comments/9a63/how_ovarit_feels_about_homosexual_parenthood/) and decided to post this. This might be a part 1, as I've seen various lesbophobia, homophobia, and biphobia there I just need to find it again. I've experienced lesbophobia and homophobia from radfems. Many of them believe homosexuality is a choice, or that gays are "made" from trauma, that lesbians are just very strong willed feminists (usually women that were abused by men. Glad to see classic homophobia making a come back...) and gay men are just very committed misogynists.

The Thread: https://ovarit.com/o/Lesbians/85214/has-anyone-else-been-noticing-an-uptick-in-homophobia-in-gc-spaces

Had to reupload to show usernames.

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

aren't radfems supposed to be on the left? why would they fall back to these anti lgb tropes?

[–]jay-dayGold Star Gay Woman[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Radfem motto is "The personal is political" so no matter what, everything is political. A person is a political statement, their actions, beliefs, existence, etc. Because everything is a political statement, they may be acting in opposition to another political viewpoint, which is also an attack on them. If lesbians aren't human beings that can believe in a variety of different things, they're just a political group that means all lesbians (a political group in their eyes) can be opposition to their politics, since it's a choice they're choosing to be anti-whatever radfem beliefs. You can see lesbians going from human beings that just happen to be homosexual to 'lesbians' being "anti or pro certain political beliefs." Or:"Gay men are just misogynists so gay men are anti-women." Instead of: a gay man can just so happen to be a misogynist but there is nothing inherent to being a gay man with being misogynistic, because gay men are human beings therefore can vary in beliefs and so on.

"The personal is political" If used excessively, it can be very dehumanizing. You are no longer a person; you have become a political statement. You're more of a billboard than anything at that point. Because radical feminists have a long history of politicizing lesbians (see political "lesbians"), this commonly happens with us. Lesbians are just mega radical feminists that sleep with women because f•ck the patriarchy. Instead of just lesbians being homosexual.

Of course, all parties are guilty of this, putting their politics above humanity. They become so engrossed in politics that they lose sight of the fact everyone's a person not an walking ideology. We must fight oppression, erasure and trans people forcing themselves on others, but we must all remember that not everything/everyone is a walking political statement. It's sometimes just about basic human decency, being able to say "no" to sexual advances without being called a bigot, lesbians and gays not having to constantly "unpack our genital preferences," and real women having our own spaces away from males. Some things shouldn't be made into political statements.

and most radfems are straight. Heterosexuals don't have a great track record of being respectful to homosexuals.

Sorry for the long post, I just find all of this to be very interesting.

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sorry for the long post, I just find all of this to be very interesting.

So did I :)