all 22 comments

[–]INeedSomeTimeAsexual Ally 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

This is why I dislike radfems. And I think their often ridiculous views are the reason for why the gender critical part gets often ignored or dissed. Though even their view trans stuff can be summed up as - men evil - doing everything to hurt women, women always victims of men.

[–]CancelPowerSuper Bi Male 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I remember that I hated TERFs for a while and anybody who mentions that they are a TERF because of the "radical feminist" thing. I thought they were all these disgusting men-haters from social media who want to abuse and kill all men.

However, this place is very chill actually, I barely see any unjustified hate against men, I'm not even sure if women here can be called "terfs"

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I barely see any unjustified hate against men,

Mods were/are very good about making sure this isn't lgb gender critical.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Tragicomically, someone on social media who ID'ed as radfem called me a "fraud" the other day and said my "card should be revoked" because I refuted (with sworn testimony from the UK trial) some falsehoods she was spewing about Amber Heard being a little innocent angel.

I wasn't discussing feminism or womanhood, though. So I found it really interesting that she thought I would want whatever "card" she was hawking in the first place. One does not need the secret handshake and the hand-drawn map to the club treehouse in order to care about truth and justice. And weirdly enough I still have all my XX chromosomes even though she said mean things to me...so I think I'll be all right.

Of course, that was projection, because here's a woman who does not care about truth and justice trying to hold a well-exposed con artist up as a feminist standard-bearer and she's obviously having some buyer's remorse, which she copes with by what? Shooting the messenger.

They really do seem to think that picking a big stick up off the ground and waving it wildly at people counts as credibility. Or to put that another way, radfems probably have their own TRA equivalent subset of bullying opportunists. They are not all that way, but I get tired of rolling the dice and wondering which kind I'm going to get so I seldom choose interaction.

But I've tussled with a few of them in the last couple of weeks because they are so very, very, very determined to cling to the lie that AH is their angelic spokesperson. You have to work really hard at denial to maintain that position at this point. But it wouldn't be the first time I've run into the radfem brick wall of denial. So there's nothing new to see here.

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I would have thought she was a libfem for uncritically supporting AH. Very hard to keep track of the waves of feminism sometimes.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yeah I don't try very hard. Easier to just evaluate someone's beliefs and assertions as they are than from within whatever ideological framework they claim to be inhabiting—people seldom strictly follow their own ideologies consistently.

There are a ton of libfems defending AH too but there's definitely some hand-wringing going on in places like Ovarit about the optics of AH being seen as she is / this way (accurately?). (And of course there are plenty who actually believe her, still.) They seem more concerned about how she makes them look than they are about how important it is that this type of abuse be documented and talked about openly.

Which makes me wonder how many of them are similarly abusive or have falsely accused people themselves. Why be so worried about one of these being finally, properly outed? I think it's great because now when I try to describe some of my experiences, AH can stand in as a perfect example. It's a damned relief.

And I'm not a Depp fan. I haven't really paid attention to him, but this is just such a great teaching moment for so many survivors. I know there's a risk among the simple-minded that more of us won't be believed, but damn, that was already a problem because these are false accusers. (!) Now how they operate is much more out in the open with an excellent case study. What's not to like, really? /rhetorical

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

AH shouldn't tear down your movement unless you say things like believe all women as if a woman would never say false stuff.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Indeed. The only reason they have to worry is that she proves that their absurd rule / mantra is false, by being a very blatant exception.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

are the reason for why the gender critical part gets often ignored or dissed

I sometimes hesitate to say I'm GC because I'd be aligning with radfemmery in the eyes of some.

[–]ChunkeeguyTeam T*RF Fuck Yeah 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is pretty distressing to read but I suppose the world is made up of a vast number of tribes with deep divisions and we can't all be allies just because we agree on some things. I seem to recall that even Germain Greer was (at one stage at least) not lesbian friendly.

[–]MoutonelectriqueBland Straight ♀ 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Well fuck. I used to be on ovarit, got a bit tired about several things as I am not really a 'good good radfem', and deleted my account because fuck it, I want to enjoy life. Anyway, I think some former TRA's turn into diehard radfems, switching sides but same behaviour as before.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Direct link to a much more zoom-able copy: https://i.imgur.com/KzD4nqs.png

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I used to browse Ovarit fairly frequently; it would be the sort of next step in the chain after I had finished browsing Saidit but hadn't quite got my fill of GenderCritical.

I still do look at it occasionally, but I avoid absolutely anything from the WomensLiberation 'circle' because I know it's just going to be bonkers 'let's-all-live-in-a-commune-with-no-men-because-men-inherently-evil' bullshit. The kind of stuff your garden variety American conservative radio show host thinks 'feminism' is.

Wacko leftists come in all breeds and colours, it would seem.

[–]ElectraHeart 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This was my first post on saidit: https://saidit.net/s/LGBDropTheT/comments/97bj/psychotically_homophobic_against_males_in/xvn7?context=3

Being gay (male) is like being a penguin. You're hated for being a bird (you're a man), but birds hate you because you can't fly (you're gay). I think the only group that understands this is the lesbians. And to be honest sometimes the worst homophobes come from radfems. This is because their ideology is about essentialism. "Men are bad. Gay men are men, they are also bad."

Most of the terminally online "feminists" are hellbent on proving gay men are evil, because that makes them feel good about loving their oppressors, in a literal sense. Thats why their cries about evil gay men invading womens bodies is so funny: honey, the most likely killers for women are 1) partner [58%!!!!!!!!] 2) father 3) family members 4) friends 5) strangers. They are all men, but none of them are gay. Gay men's relationship with women, just like lesbians relationship with men, is voluntary. I guess these women can't really handle a single demographic that is not chasing them for some reason. But oh yeah, they couldn't pull this off to heterosexual men, who hold the systemic power. I swear gay men are like punchbags in all places.

Lesbians also get the same treatment because it points out the biggest flaw in the feminist ideology: "if we can't fix men and murder them outright, what is to be done?" The only course of action is separation. I'm not even talking about female communes type of thing. I'm talking about women stopping makeup, doing what they want, not associating with men, having hobbies with other women etc. They hate us, because they can't be us basically.

[–]automoderatorHuman-Exclusionary Radical Overlord[M] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

RIP Snappy, I AM THE NEW GOD!

Click below to view and/or archive snapshots:

If this comment is being added for sites which cannot be usefully archived - for example, video hosts or an existing archive site - please let the Moderators know by sending ModMail. REPLIES TO THIS COMMENT ARE NOT SEEN BY MODS

I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this sub if you have any questions or concerns.