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[–]CaptainMooseEx-Bathhouse Employee 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Most specifically queer spaces I’ve been to have been almost entirely women and AFAB non binary people. It’s nice sometimes, but I’m very much a man who loves men and is very knowledgable of and prefers gay male culture. That’s why I seek out more gay men’s spaces. I’d recommend going to more male oriented events/bars etc if possible, I’ve personally never had any issues. Cis gay/bi men have not been transphobic to me despite all the queer women saying they are while excusing their own transphobia and othering.

Translation: straight woman who fetishizes gay men hates being around lesbian and bisexual women who in turn have zero clue how conditioned gay (and some bi) men are into placating straight women.

I feel like I miss out on a lot of cool things being trans and gay and wish so bad to be in cis gay spaces too. I feel like anon stuff and getting sucked off at glory holes are off the table for me mostly. And just the camaraderie.

They should be off the table for you entirely. In these spaces, men expect another man to be on the other side and consent accordingly. You, like any other woman who inserts herself into gay men's spaces, will ruin any "camaraderie" we have by forcing us to self-censor.

I don't pursue it at all; I know had I been born a cis man I would have spent my young adult years partaking in everything cis gay men take for granted.

"Take for granted" is such a funny thing to include. She fails to realize two very important things: (1) that many gay men do not want to participate in certain activities because we are all individuals with our own boundaries and values and (2) that the gay who do want to participate but can't are in that position because, as an actual marginalized class, we are often needing to take on additional jobs just to get by in life and survive.

[–]hufflepuff-poet 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I feel like I miss out on a lot of cool things being trans and gay and wish so bad to be in cis gay spaces too. I feel like anon stuff and getting sucked off at glory holes are off the table for me mostly. And just the camaraderie.

They really think being gay is just about being in some fun secret club... They don't understand, the reason gay people like to be in lesbian/gay men/SSA-only spaces is SO WE CAN DATE, FLIRT WITH & FUCK EACH OTHER WITHOUT RISK OF HOMOPHOBIC VIOLENCE!! We create these spaces so we can be the majority for once instead of being steeped in assumed heterosexuality all the time!! When they invade our spaces, they bring their heterosexuality and impose it on us in spaces we've carved out for ourselves. So exhausting :(

Also, I've never met a gay man in my age range (Millennial and Gen Z) who actually uses glory holes. These women are larping as gay stereotypes from the 90s. I'm sure some gay men still do, but most just find hookups on grindr. Gay men is this actually still common in your local gay community or has it died out as "acceptance" increased?

[–]CaptainMooseEx-Bathhouse Employee 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm 28 and I've used a glory hole maybe twice outside of a bathhouse setting, but even then it's not for me. I like knowing who it is sucking my dick as well as having light on so I can inspect for things like herpes and HPV before I proceed.

Most men who I see on hookup sites advertising glory holes usually have it set up with a sheet in their living room or foyer so they can still control who is invited/peer out the window. These days it's about pseudo-anonymity.