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[–]julesburm1891 30 insightful - 6 fun30 insightful - 5 fun31 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

I want to be in and enjoy cis male spades

So, it turns out larping isn’t as fun when you’re only around other larpers?

I don’t get along with men who are misogynists or transphobes

My absolute favorite TRA talking point—gay men are misogynists for not fucking transmen but transmen totally aren’t women.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's a Freudian slip, hahaha.

[–][deleted] 24 insightful - 2 fun24 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

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I don’t get people complaining about cis men in queer spaces…cis men can be queer. Gay/bi/pan cis etc men are all queer, gatekeeping queerness from such a large portion of the community is ridiculous.

There you have it.

LGB (and even the +++) does not exist. It is all "queer" now. Accept your erasure and stop fighting. Assimilate.

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 13 insightful - 7 fun13 insightful - 6 fun14 insightful - 7 fun -  (2 children)

RESISTANCE IS FUTILE 🤖

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don’t get people complaining about cis men in queer spaces…

Most of these "queer spaces" were built by and for """cis""" gay men!

Are these morons so brainwashed to think that genderspecials were the ones behind gay and lesbian bars?

[–]shveya 9 insightful - 14 fun9 insightful - 13 fun10 insightful - 14 fun -  (1 child)

This is the OP, if anyone was curious about what a manly man she is. https://i.redd.it/18k9ynl1q7p81.jpg

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

... what.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

I'm confused. And today, I'm going to go with it. I'm on TRA-deciphering vacation.

Also, I doubt it—when encountering people who might make a giant fuss if you let on that you know they don't pass, silence is golden:

I relate to this a lot and honestly the only thing keeping me from having the confidence to just exist in those spaces is the fact that I havent had any fucking surgeries yet and it would be weird to explain to a potential hookup, bc I pass 100% of the time now otherwise

[–]Finnegan7921 12 insightful - 7 fun12 insightful - 6 fun13 insightful - 7 fun -  (5 children)

Yeah I always love reading the "I pass" or "I stealth and nobody knows !" posts b/c the delusion is so absurd. As if there is some secret clan of trans ninjas who move undetected throughout society fooling everyone. So insane.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I have known / seen people who pass fairly well (with clothes on at least).

But I'd be very surprised to hear them ever claim they do 100% of the time and actually be able to prove that. They can't unless they interview everyone who ever observes them.

And then, of course, we can't really trust those interview answers either, given the widely-known climate of insane bullying that can result when one is honest about what one observes.

So there's not a conceivable way to make this claim with any credibility.

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I have known / seen people who pass fairly well (with clothes on at least).

Here's the thing: even MtFs and FtMs who "pass" can be clocked by behaviour alone.

We got the MtFs who act like horny, oversexualized twinks and the FtMs who act like oversensitive teen girls while overcompensating with certain linguistic maneirisms (like initiating every sentence with "bro", "man").

All of this emanates that sheer "how you do fellow males/females" energy which makes them very easy to clock.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

can be clocked by behaviour alone

To an astute observer, maybe, and not 100% of the time.

I think your confidence might be a bit high that you're always getting this right.

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

To an astute observer, maybe, and not 100% of the time

The catch is to know how and what to look for.

If you know these two things, then the rest comes easily.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think you're missing the part where when you don't clock someone you won't know that you didn't. ;-) What I'm cautioning against here is succumbing to hubris.

[–]CaptainMooseEx-Bathhouse Employee 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Most specifically queer spaces I’ve been to have been almost entirely women and AFAB non binary people. It’s nice sometimes, but I’m very much a man who loves men and is very knowledgable of and prefers gay male culture. That’s why I seek out more gay men’s spaces. I’d recommend going to more male oriented events/bars etc if possible, I’ve personally never had any issues. Cis gay/bi men have not been transphobic to me despite all the queer women saying they are while excusing their own transphobia and othering.

Translation: straight woman who fetishizes gay men hates being around lesbian and bisexual women who in turn have zero clue how conditioned gay (and some bi) men are into placating straight women.

I feel like I miss out on a lot of cool things being trans and gay and wish so bad to be in cis gay spaces too. I feel like anon stuff and getting sucked off at glory holes are off the table for me mostly. And just the camaraderie.

They should be off the table for you entirely. In these spaces, men expect another man to be on the other side and consent accordingly. You, like any other woman who inserts herself into gay men's spaces, will ruin any "camaraderie" we have by forcing us to self-censor.

I don't pursue it at all; I know had I been born a cis man I would have spent my young adult years partaking in everything cis gay men take for granted.

"Take for granted" is such a funny thing to include. She fails to realize two very important things: (1) that many gay men do not want to participate in certain activities because we are all individuals with our own boundaries and values and (2) that the gay who do want to participate but can't are in that position because, as an actual marginalized class, we are often needing to take on additional jobs just to get by in life and survive.

[–]Finnegan7921 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

These people live according to stereotypes. That is all they know.

[–]hufflepuff-poet 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I feel like I miss out on a lot of cool things being trans and gay and wish so bad to be in cis gay spaces too. I feel like anon stuff and getting sucked off at glory holes are off the table for me mostly. And just the camaraderie.

They really think being gay is just about being in some fun secret club... They don't understand, the reason gay people like to be in lesbian/gay men/SSA-only spaces is SO WE CAN DATE, FLIRT WITH & FUCK EACH OTHER WITHOUT RISK OF HOMOPHOBIC VIOLENCE!! We create these spaces so we can be the majority for once instead of being steeped in assumed heterosexuality all the time!! When they invade our spaces, they bring their heterosexuality and impose it on us in spaces we've carved out for ourselves. So exhausting :(

Also, I've never met a gay man in my age range (Millennial and Gen Z) who actually uses glory holes. These women are larping as gay stereotypes from the 90s. I'm sure some gay men still do, but most just find hookups on grindr. Gay men is this actually still common in your local gay community or has it died out as "acceptance" increased?

[–]CaptainMooseEx-Bathhouse Employee 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm 28 and I've used a glory hole maybe twice outside of a bathhouse setting, but even then it's not for me. I like knowing who it is sucking my dick as well as having light on so I can inspect for things like herpes and HPV before I proceed.

Most men who I see on hookup sites advertising glory holes usually have it set up with a sheet in their living room or foyer so they can still control who is invited/peer out the window. These days it's about pseudo-anonymity.

[–]GenderSpecial 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There is always all this talk about “spaces”, gay spaces, queer spaces, lesbian spaces, etc…

Since the TQ+ are chronically online, they’re just talking about “queer” discord servers and subreddits, right?

[–]Rosefield 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

And I'm also just so intimidated by cis gay men and feel so small around them.

Woman feels uncomfortable in a place with only men. More news at 11.

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It doesn't help that 99% of FtMs are quite small indeed lol

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Damn all those cis chocolate bars which have cocoa in them!

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

At this point I don't care what attention seekers say about gay men. What I do care about is gay men standing up for ourselves. Which a lot of us don't. We wouldn't be in this mess if gay men said no and had each other's backs when we said no to the lunatics.

[–]automoderatorHuman-Exclusionary Radical Overlord[M] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

RIP Snappy, I AM THE NEW GOD!

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