DiscussionWhat do you guys think of Muslim immigration?

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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

You ignored my argument about how it's about to win and not making it equal. Nobody cares about your "child-free" argument when even in sport women are being destroyed by men(transwomen) who were shitty against their peers and are now breaking records over records in our sports. I'll grant you that yeah, in time of crisis I rather send adult and capable women instead of old men/kids, in term of practicality. For the rest, I wouldn't do that. Women of regular age that can fight alongside men of regular age and be as efficient are exceptions. Again, our bodies are differents and men keep reminding women of that actually so yeah.

Also, women struggles are way more heavy than being sent in the kitchen to make sandwiches. You are biased.

[–]CancelPowerSuper Bi Male[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I'm not biased. I fight for women's rights for literally everything. Sports without men, safe spaces for them without men, I acknowledge and recognize their struggles (sexual assault, harassment...) the right to abortion...etc everything they deserve and need to be equal to men but that doesn't mean I'm gonna neglect my rights as a man.

I don't know about you but if a war starts, I don't wanna see myself on the front lines while I see all women escaping and live to see another day, it's cruel it's harsh to hear but it's the truth. Either destroy the mandatory draft or apply both genders, it's unfair to men, otherwise.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

It's cruel and harsh because that's what war is about and not gender equality in the goddamn battlefield. You keep ignoring my arguments about the whole body differences. The muscle mass, the bigger heart. Because of the testosterone you are stronger, and that's what is needed when it comes to war. Or fights in general. And i'm not saying that war is good or that war isn't horrifying. It's awful. But that's the reality of it. Instead of vouching for equality in killing both men and women, maybe vouch against wars in general.

[–]CancelPowerSuper Bi Male[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

But I didn't ignore ANY of the body differences. Yes, I recognize women are weaker but here is the thing though, I recognize 60 year old men to be weaker than 30 year old women. If a 60 year old man is forced to fight, why doesn't a 30 year old woman fight? Umm? I talked about it again and again and you ignored me. I said that it doesn't matter if it's effective or not, any additional body is better than none, women fighting won't be the reason to losing the war if it was meant to be lost.

"Or fights in general. And i'm not saying that war is good or that war isn't horrifying. It's awful. But that's the reality of it." The reality of wars being horrifying doesn't mean you ignore men's desire not to fight.

"Instead of vouching for equality in killing both men and women, maybe vouch against wars in general." I can do both.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I haven't ignored you. I told you that yeah I agree, I rather have capable women fight rather than old men or kids instead. There's plenty of women already in the army for instance. But the most people capable to fight with more efficiency are going to be men anyway.

There isn't a lot of people who wants to fight in a war, but most of people who'd like to are also males.

You can, and you do sound weird to me.

[–]CancelPowerSuper Bi Male[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

There isn't a lot of people who wants to fight in a war, but most of people who'd like to are also males.

Obviously, they have to when you shame them for not fighting, if you're so confident in their personal will to fight like this, then maybe you shouldn't make it mandatory.

"You can, and you do sound weird to me."

And you sound unsympathetic to me.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Or maybe because males are more agressive and prone to act violently when they have the opportunity to do so. Remember the muslim guys you don't want around ?

I sound unsympathetic because I don't want women to also die in foolish wars ? Okay.

[–]CancelPowerSuper Bi Male[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Yeah but it will still be their choice, do you really believe ALL those men want to risk their lives? I HIGHLY doubt that so we give them the choice to do what they want with their bodies.

"I sound unsympathetic because I don't want women to also die in foolish wars? Okay."

And I sound weird because I don't want men to die alone in stupid wars just because they are men?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

No not all, I said most of them. Nobody wants to die in a painful and terrorizing way, that's true. But still, I'm just making a broad comparaison between men and women temperament to explain why it is the way it is.

I really don't wan't more women killed by men, we got enough of that everyday at every hour, so I wouldn't fight for equality when it comes to drafting people to war. So yeah, I'm not comfortable with your point of view about this whole thing. I still wouldn't want anyone drafted in the best case scenario. I don't want any war or pain, but that's not how this world work.

[–]CancelPowerSuper Bi Male[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I mean I don't want any of this to happen either, it's not like I'm saying "kill women! kill them all!"

Believe me, if it was in my hands, I would have entirely removed the mandatory draft, nobody should be forced to fight and die.