DiscussionWhat do you guys think of Muslim immigration?

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[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (28 children)

I mean I don't know I'm not a politician. It's just that people run away from war and shit like that too and it seems pretty harsh in general out there. There's no perfect solution either so, I don't know.

[–]MyLongestJourney 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (27 children)

There is no perfect solution,but I do not think sacrificing Europe or the West/Western civilization in general,will be in the benefit of anyone in the long run.

And lets face it. Most of the so called "third world" refugees,are actually illegal immigrants. They are mostly men of fighting age.Compare them to the Ukrainian refuges who are mostly women and children. Maybe you do not need a mind reading machine,just common sense.

[–]CancelPowerSuper Bi Male[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

Uh, Ukrainian refugees are mostly women and children because Ukraine uses men as war fodder and doesn't let them leave the country and forces them to fight, that's why.

[–]MyLongestJourney 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

Men are the walls of the city.They are the defenders of women and children.

[–]CancelPowerSuper Bi Male[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

They shouldn't be. These "walls" are not walls, these are people with lives.

[–]MyLongestJourney 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

They are the most physically suited for the role and most men understand this.Members of a species compete for the available natural resources,there will always be war.

[–]CancelPowerSuper Bi Male[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

They understand this because we tell them to. No, this is toxic masculinity and second of all, misandry/sexism. A 18 year old male isn't a wall, he's a human being. If he fights, then a 18 year old female should fight too.

It's not like women fighting would make the situation worse either, it's not like they will be a burden, men AND women can both fight.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Women aren't sent to war because they're usually mothers/take care of the kids and houses for one thing, and when they're not, well male and female bodies are way different and you know that. You can send women if you want, and your ennemies will send men, and we'll see what happen at the end of the day. War isn't about making things more equal, it's about who will win and all means are good for that. Nobody said men aren't suffering in war or that they aren't human beings, there's enough documentation about men and their pain in all kind of situation ever. Not to throw shade or anything but you sound resentful in your approach.

[–]CancelPowerSuper Bi Male[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

"Women aren't sent to war because they're usually mothers/take care of the kids and houses for one thing, and when they're not, well male and female bodies are way different and you know that. You can send women if you want, and your ennemies will send men, and we'll see what happen at the end of the day."

Then send the child-free women, this isn't an excuse. And for what happens to the women and men enemies, not to downplay the suffering but men are literally dying and being tortured, I'm not sure there is a much harsher reality than that for any human no matter their gender.

"You sound resentful in your approach" and for a good reason, I'm a man, I was born a man, I didn't sign a contract to fight when I was born. Gender roles are disgusting, and this isn't as simple as "going to the kitchen and cook because she is a woman" this is as serious as "sacrifice your life because you are a man"

If a 60 year old man can fight, then so can a 20 year old woman.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

You ignored my argument about how it's about to win and not making it equal. Nobody cares about your "child-free" argument when even in sport women are being destroyed by men(transwomen) who were shitty against their peers and are now breaking records over records in our sports. I'll grant you that yeah, in time of crisis I rather send adult and capable women instead of old men/kids, in term of practicality. For the rest, I wouldn't do that. Women of regular age that can fight alongside men of regular age and be as efficient are exceptions. Again, our bodies are differents and men keep reminding women of that actually so yeah.

Also, women struggles are way more heavy than being sent in the kitchen to make sandwiches. You are biased.

[–]MyLongestJourney 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

They understand this because we tell them to.

Natural instincts exist you know.

A 18 year old male isn't a wall, he's a human being. If he fights, then a 18 year old female should fight too.

In our species,female casualties are of greater impact than male ones. If you lose many males but few females,you can replenish your population easily.The opposite is not true. I would also like you to explain to me how effective a pregnant woman would be in the battlefield.

It's not like women fighting would make the situation worse either, it's not like they will be a burden, men AND women can both fight.

They both can fight,but in many positions,women are way less effective.Especially when pregnant.And losing women,will be of greater impact than losing men.A man can easily impregnate many women,a woman can not give birth to as many children.

[–]CancelPowerSuper Bi Male[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Natural instincts exist you know.

This was an argument that was being used to enforce gender roles, if we stop shaming men for being "cowards" for not fighting, I'm pretty sure it will be different.

"In our species,female casualties are of greater impact than male ones. If you lose many males but few females,you can replenish your population easily.The opposite is not true. I would also like you to explain to me how effective a pregnant woman would be in the battlefield."

Let childfree women fight who have no kids to take care of then. "How effective a pregnant woman would be in the battlefield" explain to me how effective a 60 year old man would be in the battlefield then?

"They both can fight,but in many positions,women are way less effective.Especially when pregnant.And losing women,will be of greater impact than losing men.A man can easily impregnate many women,a woman can not give birth to as many children."

Any additional weapon is better than none, no matter how ineffective it will be. I doubt a 18 year old kid is effective but they are forcing him to fight anyway as long as he is a man.

Either remove the draft or force them both to fight, the end. I would never support the forced slaughter of men because of their gender.

[–]MyLongestJourney 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This was an argument that was being used to enforce gender roles

Gender roles do have a biological basis.

if we stop shaming men for being "cowards" for not fighting, I'm pretty sure it will be different.

What,more women will be killed and the population will suffer as a result?

Let childfree women fight who have no kids to take care of then. "How effective a pregnant woman would be in the battlefield" explain to me how effective a 60 year old man would be in the battlefield then?

Those childfree women are potential mothers. A 60 year old man is much stronger than a (even much younger) woman and does not get pregnant to boot!

Any additional weapon is better than none, no matter how ineffective it will be. I doubt a 18 year old kid is effective but they are forcing him to fight anyway as long as he is a man.

If you have enough men,you never risk your women. And you will be surprised at how effective a 18 year old male can be.

Either remove the draft or force them both to fight, the end. I would never support the forced slaughter of men because of their gender.

Okay then,good luck with your endeavors.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You can keep your arrogance to yourself.

[–]MyLongestJourney 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

My arrogance....Let me tell you about my arrogance. My island was one of the many Greek isles like Lesbos and Samos and Ikaria and Leros which accepted "refugees" and I have witnessed with my own eyes the entitlement and their ungratefulness.My peaking point came when they occupied our main port for six days,demanding free entrance to other European countries (and the leftist goverment let them,until my usually mild people had enough and were ready to remove them themselves). Lets see...You arrive illegally from a SAFE country,Turkey* via boat and we rescue you from drowning and offer you shelter and food and you behave like this? F you.

PS. Not to mention the thefts and the damages they caused (despite the fact they were provided food and clothes).

*Turkish people have similar tales.Also all European countries who have taken refugees from those countries have similar tales.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm not talking about your arguments when I said you were arrogant, but about how you judge me as an idiot because I'm not agreeing with you 100%.

And I don't think any of what happened to your country is okay, sorry that people abused you guys hospitality.

[–]MyLongestJourney 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I am not judging you as an idiot,how in the world did you come to this conclusion ? There are many highly intelligent people out there who arrive to the wrong conclusions,because they lack sufficient data,or used the wrong methodology,or were affected by their own bias.

And thank you for your understanding regarding our suffering.