DiscussionWhat do you guys think of Muslim immigration?

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[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (39 children)

I do agree with what people are saying about the subject, but with that logic, you guys also say fuck homosexual people stuck in those countries who wants to fuck off too. Or just people who can't stand the mindset of heavily religious places and wants to get the hell out to live freely. There's probably a middle ground to find.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (38 children)

There is legal immigration and asylum of protected classes. But allowing hordes of young men whose culture is incompatible to western values is extremist take on immigration

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (37 children)

I do agree that their mindset is a problem but I don't think the solution is simple as "close the gates". People don't run away from their countries to solely bully homosexuals.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

They don't run away from their countries to do that, but they have a very anti-gay sexist and fanatical religious mindset and by allowing an huge amount of them, you are just allowing these types of thinking to become influential in the country culture, basically extremely damaging the tolerance and freedom that the west has fought decades to achieve, setting the country horribly backward.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Even witout those fanatics as you say, those said advanced countries have their trans bullshit going on for us so at the end of the day, running left or right ends up at the same place.

And to clear things up, I'm not for massive immigration. Nor do I like Islam. I just think things are just more complicated than just saying "stop coming to our countries", but that's just my opinion.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Yeah, so let's not add even bigger bullshit from others culture? Legal immigration is right, but mass immigration is a disaster, totally dangerous. And it is just very naive not to understand how long term this is going to massively change the country for the worst, cause culture is just people thinking, and the more people think a certain way, the more that kind of thinking become a defining cultural feature. I really dont want fucking islam to become a defining cultural feature of western europe

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Maybe you're right I don't know. I don't want men to beat up women/think they're inferior or hurt LGB people either.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't want to ruin all the progresses we have achieved and go back to dark ages repressive thinking either, and that' why I'm against mass islamic immigration

[–]SerpensInferna 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

People come to the West for a higher standard of living and not to live in a war torn hellhole, however, there is an uncomfortably high amount of Muslims who bring their oppressive mandates with them and expect the host culture to adhere to them instead of the other way around - Minneapolis is a great example, as well as Sweden as of late. I don't see another solution that is not a burden to the host countries, to be honest, although I am all for providing pathways to immigration for women, atheists, and LGB, of course.

Allowing too much immigration of a culture that is the antithesis of our values is a direct conflict and no good can come of it.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah I agree with you.

[–]MyLongestJourney 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (29 children)

Unless you have a mind reading machine at hand,I see no other way.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (28 children)

I mean I don't know I'm not a politician. It's just that people run away from war and shit like that too and it seems pretty harsh in general out there. There's no perfect solution either so, I don't know.

[–]MyLongestJourney 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (27 children)

There is no perfect solution,but I do not think sacrificing Europe or the West/Western civilization in general,will be in the benefit of anyone in the long run.

And lets face it. Most of the so called "third world" refugees,are actually illegal immigrants. They are mostly men of fighting age.Compare them to the Ukrainian refuges who are mostly women and children. Maybe you do not need a mind reading machine,just common sense.

[–]CancelPowerSuper Bi Male[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

Uh, Ukrainian refugees are mostly women and children because Ukraine uses men as war fodder and doesn't let them leave the country and forces them to fight, that's why.

[–]MyLongestJourney 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

Men are the walls of the city.They are the defenders of women and children.

[–]CancelPowerSuper Bi Male[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

They shouldn't be. These "walls" are not walls, these are people with lives.

[–]MyLongestJourney 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

They are the most physically suited for the role and most men understand this.Members of a species compete for the available natural resources,there will always be war.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You can keep your arrogance to yourself.

[–]MyLongestJourney 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

My arrogance....Let me tell you about my arrogance. My island was one of the many Greek isles like Lesbos and Samos and Ikaria and Leros which accepted "refugees" and I have witnessed with my own eyes the entitlement and their ungratefulness.My peaking point came when they occupied our main port for six days,demanding free entrance to other European countries (and the leftist goverment let them,until my usually mild people had enough and were ready to remove them themselves). Lets see...You arrive illegally from a SAFE country,Turkey* via boat and we rescue you from drowning and offer you shelter and food and you behave like this? F you.

PS. Not to mention the thefts and the damages they caused (despite the fact they were provided food and clothes).

*Turkish people have similar tales.Also all European countries who have taken refugees from those countries have similar tales.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm not talking about your arguments when I said you were arrogant, but about how you judge me as an idiot because I'm not agreeing with you 100%.

And I don't think any of what happened to your country is okay, sorry that people abused you guys hospitality.

[–]MyLongestJourney 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I am not judging you as an idiot,how in the world did you come to this conclusion ? There are many highly intelligent people out there who arrive to the wrong conclusions,because they lack sufficient data,or used the wrong methodology,or were affected by their own bias.

And thank you for your understanding regarding our suffering.