LesbianEldena Doubleca5t: "dear lesbians, transwomen have never tried to force you to sleep with them, you're just being irrational"

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[–]chandra 30 insightful - 2 fun30 insightful - 1 fun31 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Lesbians say 'we don't want to sleep with transwomen,' and TRAs think they're being so clever and reasonable when they dodge the point and say 'stop being crazy, no-one is saying you have to sleep with someone with a penis.' I.e. lesbians are still expected to be open to transwomen who've had fake vagina surgery.

[–]loveSloaneSuperDuperBi 27 insightful - 6 fun27 insightful - 5 fun28 insightful - 6 fun -  (6 children)

It’s crazy because, while I would never sleep with a trans person for several reasons, I would rather sleep with one without a “neovagina”, if for some reason I had to lol. Neovaginas are… idk if I can even use the word I want to use without breaking a rule.

[–]Ladis_Wascheharuum 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, same.

I'm bi, but I don't want to date a trans person for the same reason I won't date someone into MLM or Scientology.

But if I had to, I'd rather have the one that didn't (yet) have horrible disfiguring body mods.

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Would you say this is because you distinguish between medically transed individuals and the only self-IDing/pre-transition ones?

[–]loveSloaneSuperDuperBi 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

No, I’d never want to be with either pre or post op. But the idea of interacting at all with a neovagina (or a neophallus for that matter) is genuinely repulsive to me. Not because of how I view trans ideology or trans people at all, but because I “educated myself” about neo genitals and quickly came to the conclusion that both were a hard no for me.

Honestly pre op/no op people are (only slightly) more frustrating than post op people to me, generally. I just would rather have sex with natural genitals

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No, I’d never want to be with either pre or post op. But the idea of interacting at all with a neovagina (or a neophallus for that matter) is genuinely repulsive to me. Not because of how I view trans ideology or trans people at all, but because I “educated myself” about neo genitals and quickly came to the conclusion that both were a hard no for me.

Honestly pre op/no op people are (only slightly) more frustrating than post op people to me, generally. I just would rather have sex with natural genitals

Yeah, I totally get that. I've educated myself too; With google image search. What can be seen with just that is a good enough reason to pass on trans.

[–]MyLongestJourney 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, I totally get that. I've educated myself too; With google image search.

What has been seen,can never be unseen.

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

highway to nowhere?

[–][deleted] 25 insightful - 5 fun25 insightful - 4 fun26 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

Are these people even capable of telling the truth?

[–]Fusrodamus 26 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 0 fun27 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

When a man dictates the terms under which a woman is permitted to reject him, what he's actually doing is reserving the right to declare that rejection invalid (e.g. "rude" or "transphobic") and act accordingly.

He's a rapist.

[–][deleted] 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I still hate that we're expected to be nice when rejecting a man. Why am I rude if I tell him to fuck off, but he's not rude for bugging me with his bullshit in the first place? Just doesn't make sense to me. Just pisses me off that men can approach me, invade my personal space, and then somehow I'm the rude one if I tell him to fuck off.

[–]MBMayfair 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

WHOA, Fusrodamus! That is awesome.

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Prefect summation is perfect.

[–]MyLongestJourney 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You are not only saying it. You destroyed lesbian's spaces and even individual lesbian's lives for refusing to sleep with you.

[–]julesburm1891 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Arielle Scarcella had a recent video where she finally snapped and broke down one of Kat Blaque’s many screes about her. At one point Blaque claimed no one is telling lesbians to like dick and asked someone to show her a single example. Scarcella offered up terfisaslur.com. Blaque actually went to the site and read pages of people telling us to like dick. He then had the audacity to argue that they were just telling us to fuck off and not very explicitly telling us to suck their dicks.

My point is that you can’t win with these people. You will put clear cut evidence in front of their faces and they’ll pretend it doesn’t exist or that it’s faked or that it has some secret other meaning or that it’s an outlier.

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

show them 300 screenshots from boxer ceiling

redditor: oh thats just a few screenshots from twitter

[–]MyLongestJourney 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

My point is that you can’t win with these people.

But you can win with the ones who are not fanatic but simple unaware. So keep telling the truth and demonstrating the receipts.

[–]Horror-SwordfishI don't get how flairs work 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sure, no one's saying it's transphobic to have a preference. They're just saying it's transphobic to voice that preference.

"Not being rude about it" is literally impossible when you're talking to people who assume every single person that interacts with them is out to get them personally.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Concerned about the # of people on tumblr, reddit, twitter, and dating apps saying that lesbians can have penises and be sexually attracted to penises so I would like to say, on behalf of actual lesbians everywhere, self-proclaimed Dick-having and Dick-loving “Lesbians”: it is ok if you have a penis or want to have sex with someone with a penis. We never said that was lesbophobic or misogynistic, just don’t be rude to actual lesbians about it.

The only reason people get shit from actual lesbians for saying they have a dick or love dick is because they either

A) ARE rude to actual lesbians about it

B) Imply that not all lesbians are homosexual females, there is no meaningful difference between female homosexuality and female bisexuality, and that female homosexuality is not a legitimate sexual orientation worthy of its own name

C) Try to speak for ALL LGB in denying the nature of same-sex attraction

But having a penis or being attracted to penises is not an issue in and of itself.

(Also: "Lesbians, stop trying to speak for all lesbians and listen when I speak on behalf of 'trans sapphics everywhere.'")

[–]MBMayfair 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That last paragraph is what struck me as well. It's mindboggling how that didn't even occur to him.

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Honestly, I think that a lot of people-- particularly men-- have never believed there is any such thing as a lesbian... OR a bisexual woman. For real. They think that ALL women are straight. That, to be a woman, everything about you must revolve around men, your sexuality included. Attraction to other women basically doesn't count. After all, sex between women isn't really even sex, right? Just foreplay, at best. Till the real thing (i.e., a dick) comes along.

That's why, whereas bi men are typically dismissed as "really gay", bi women are typically dismissed as "really straight". Just slutty.

I wish that I was making this up.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh 100%. I believe this is how the vast majority of people think. Bi men are really gay. Bi women are really straight. And lesbians just hate men and are simultaneously a porn category for men. And that LGB is all about kink generally. I don’t think most people take the concept of sexual orientation seriously.

And while straight men fetishize lesbianism as a porn category, a lot of straight women fetishize lesbianism as an asexual vacation from men.

[–]szalinskikidproblematic androphile 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

"You are being irrational. Nobody calls you transphobic for not wanting to sleep with trans women... but you have to accept that you're neither speaking for lesbians, nor are you lesbian. You also don't have a sexual orientation at all, just a genital preference. Oh, and you're not allowed to be rude about it, like.. by saying terfy shit like "no" or something. Understood? Good. Now shut up."

[–]dilsencySame-sex community 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

The only time they acknowledge the problems of their community is when they deny that they exist.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That’s straight-up how pathological narcissists work. Once you my realize this and have identified someone as a narcissist based on their sustained pattern of behavior, you realize that their denials form a road map of their underlying thoughts and motivations. They always tell on themselves.

[–]reluctant_commenter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I would like to say, on behalf of trans sapphics everywhere

Dude, no one individual can speak for their entire demographic that way. And then this man has the gall to turn around and say that homosexual women shouldn't:

c) try to speak for ALL lesbians in not liking dick

Idiot, that's literally what female homosexuality is. Lesbians didn't decide that they are like that, the laws of nature did. God, I swear, the sheer number of people who choose to willfully misunderstand what homosexuality is... If only these people would accept that we exist, and get over it. But then, that is the fundamental obstacle that same sex attracted people have faced since time immemorial, I guess.

[–]automoderatorHuman-Exclusionary Radical Overlord[M] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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