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[–][deleted] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They have no arguments to support their side so their only option is to silence people.

Or rather, they do have arguments for why they want what they want, but they can't say those reasons publicly because it'd turn even more people against them.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not like any of them were going to read the paper anyway.

[–]dilsencySame-sex community 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Here's the Irish Times article.

Some excerpts, but do read the article yourselves:

Sexual orientation and gender identity are very different things and they should not be conflated. Sexual orientation is the enduring pattern of romantic or sexual attraction to the opposite sex, your own sex or both. We know it is enduring because, among other evidence, we know gay conversion therapy does not work, and tragically many people took their own lives rather than live an outright lie.

Not everyone feels they possess a gender identity, but we all have a sexual orientation, another reason for not conflating the two.

The proposed wording of the Bill leaves therapists and clinicians unsure to what extent it is permissible to employ therapeutic interventions around a person’s gender identity. Gender dysphoria for example, may have many underlying causes not necessarily related to being transgender. If we explore this, will therapists find themselves accused of practising conversion therapy?

There has been a very sharp increase in adolescents presenting with gender dysphoria or gender questioning or simply identifying as trans, particularly in the last three years. Not all will go on to socially or medically transition, nor should they, as not all gender dysphoria means an underlying trans identity.

Gender-non-conforming behaviours in children may continue into adulthood, but such behaviours are not necessarily indicative of gender dysphoria and a need for treatment. Studies also consistently show an association between childhood gender dysphoria and homosexuality and bisexuality in adulthood. An important statistic to keep in mind is that of the “gender non-conforming” or gender-dysphoric children who go through the natural puberty related to their natal sex, approximately 70 per cent go on to realise they are gay, lesbian or bisexual. So, to affirm a 13 year old with recent gender dysphoria as “trans” when they are in fact gay could certainly leave therapists open to accusations of conversion therapy after the client has completed adolescence.

If therapists are fearful of accusations of “conversion” therapy, first the majority won’t work in the area of gender and, second, there will be no chance for gender-questioning clients of this age to explore or be challenged. No room for growth, no time for reflection or self-discovery. The result of which would be a rigidity most alien to both effective psychological therapy and every single child development model that has every existed. It is bad practice. As ethical therapists and clinicians, we should not support it.

Good points that need to be discussed. It would be interesting to hear what the genderqueer crowd's rebuttal would be, if they could ever hold a debate or form a coherent argument.

[–]automoderatorHuman-Exclusionary Radical Overlord[M] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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