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[–]CaptainMooseEx-Bathhouse Employee 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

As someone who grew up obese, lost the weight (and gained it back), I think fatphobia is a stupid concept. Being overweight is not healthy and can be changed through diet and exercise. Seeing the discourse about how fit guys not wanting to fuck fat guys was problematic (supported by fat women because they were pushing it in their own lives and pursuits) back in the early 2010s was my first breaking point when it came to "wokeness." In my opinion, a lot of this discourse is just a form of academically supported rape culture.

[–]lunarstrain 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I hate HAES so much, it's no surprise that the creator is a fucking nonbinary nutjob named Lindo (her name was Linda).

However, I do believe in "fatphobia", sort of, even if that word is stupid. Bad doctors sometimes like to medically neglect obese patients and attribute everything wrong with them to their weight. I know obesity can cause all kinds of problems but it's the medically responsible thing to at least check that there's nothing else wrong, especially if the symptoms the patient is describing are abnormal or severe. Otherwise you end up having patients with autoimmune diseases that continue to suffer, get even more overweight, and end up hospitalized with a much later stage illness than it could have been.

I also think it's shitty to inherently attribute obesity to laziness, don't get me wrong, there are certainly lazy fat people out there but from personal experience and observation fatness tends to be symptomatic of something bigger (no pun intended) and a lot of obese people would benefit from therapy.

[–]ChunkeeguyTeam T*RF Fuck Yeah 2 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

How on earth is xir name not Lindx?

[–]SerpensInferna 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

there are certainly lazy fat people out there but from personal experience and observation fatness tends to be symptomatic of something bigger

Totally agree with this, extreme obesity is almost always a symptom of emotional unwellness. I sometimes watch "My 600 lb Life" (don't judge me!), and I would say 99% of the people profiled were sexually assaulted as children or young adults.

[–]lunarstrain 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, it's like the body version of hoarding. It usually takes something awful happening for a person to get that bad.

[–]HelloMomo 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is a really interesting video about it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlkkG6mKTCk

One thing I found interesting: This channel, Kiana Docherty, has covered 2 different "non-binary" doctors who are into Health at Every Size: Lindo Bacon and Asher Larmie. The overlap in scientifically bogus feel-good ideologies seems to be there.

[–]tu_jode_mucho 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The original concept to my understanding was to address bullying and advocate for the same respect and opportunities in non-sexual contexts. I recall when this was first a thing some people referencing studies that fat people were promoted less often at work and perceived to be less competent than their slimmer counterparts. And fat people do exist in great numbers in the west so advocating for more underwear/fashion options was a thing at the time too. I can get behind this because someone else's health isn't anyone's business, and one shouldn't be bullied if they want to slam burgers and fries everyday. And companies can choose whether to tap into the fat market or not. But of course the woke mob got a hold of it and bastardized it so now fat people are bitching at others for not wanting to date/fuck them which...not getting laid is no one else's business and absolutely not a civil rights concern.

[–]CancelPowerSuper Bi Male[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I honestly, personally don't think that the solution to fat people getting bullied would be making fat people a protected class or whatever. I think the solution is to address their issues with therapy and help them lose weight because it's the healthy thing to do.

I also don't think fat people exactly want "fuck me or you are a bigot," I think it's more like "I'm fat, fat is beautiful, stop losing weight or working out, you should teach your children that fat is healthy, I'm healthy blah blah blah" which is an incredibly delusional thing to say. It's not good to spread misinformation, fat is not healthy, and fat people should lose weight and work to be healthy because whether they like it or not, their BMI decides. They shouldn't be bullied, that's for sure, but we shouldn't teach them that it's a good thing to eat and sleep without exercise either, we shouldn't enable them.

Fat activists became pretty scary, lately, I swear I'm seeing many people on social media advocating for letting kids eat whatever they want because not doing so would be "fatphobia" It's so ridiculous and dangerous.

All in all, I think we should stop working around people like those (TQ+, fat activists...etc) which is why we are here, and actually start pushing them to accept the reality with therapy and a healthy lifestyle that doesn't revolve around validating you and your underlying unaddressed issues.

[–]SerpensInferna 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I find it about as annoying as everything else the woke pushes.

While I do agree that you shouldn't have to be size 00 to be considered beautiful, and am understanding of the fact that some people have physical health issues that cause them to gain and keep weight - there is no pride in not having self-control and being unable to regulate the food you put into your body. Being unhealthy is not attractive and should in no way be glorified, and there's way too many HAES folks who are extremely unhealthy. I mean, I'm surprised Tess Holliday hasn't keeled over from a heart attack at this point, she just looks so damn uncomfortable.

There's such a victim complex attached to it, as well, just another way to gain oppression points.

[–]automoderatorHuman-Exclusionary Radical Overlord[M] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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