DiscussionTransgender ideology is destroying everything women and the LGB community has worked for.

submitted by SerpensInferna from self.LGBDropTheT

I mean, I knew it was going to happen, but it is incredibly disheartening to see in real time. As a political moderate, I frequent a wide variety of boards and forums. Hard right-wingers are having a field day, moderates are being shoved into the arms of conservatives, and the left is sobbing about misused pronouns and being unable to groom young children.

I see an astounding amount of people denouncing feminism and all over the slippery-slope fallacy. Women deserve the abuse by transwomen because this is what happens when we want to be treated like human beings and not chattel! Gays and lesbians are predatory pedophiles and here is the proof! And man, isn't that last one REALLY hard to defend these days when we have non-binary college professors defending MAPs and a gay choir singing about coming for your children.

I am honestly becoming very, very worried about LGB and women's rights. We seem to have forgotten that these things are fragile and can be taken away, throughout most of history women were property and LGB were not able to live fulfilling, happy, and honest lives.

Seeing as to how the transgender legal defense has a plan to link trans to race issues, I wonder how that will set back race relations.

TRAs seem to think history will favor them, they are in the right, and if they just scream loud enough and long enough the world will come around to their massive delusions.

They are parasites that destroy everything they burrow into.

Besides supporting organizations and having hard conversations with people that support the trans movement, what can be done? I am a woman and a lesbian and I have this horrid feeling generations of lesbians after me will suffer because of the power these delusional pornsick idiots have somehow managed to gain and only use for evil ends.

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[–]ChunkeeguyTeam T*RF Fuck Yeah 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Don't despair, there is hope - even in the Guardian.

[–]MBMayfair 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

That was a terrific essay, but was it originally in The Guardian and then reposted on UnHerd, or simply on UnHerd? The writer's bio says she writes for The Guardian, but I can't tell if this column appeared there. Either way, thanks for introducing me to UnHerd! I'm looking forward to reading more there!

A side note - every time I do read an article at The Guardian and then they beg me for money, I happily ignore their plea, remembering the times they've censored even the mildest of critical comments to one of their many articles extolling the truth and virtue of trans practice and ideology. Sometimes it's the little things that get you through.

[–]TransspeciesUnicornI sexually identify as a mythical sparkly equine 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Gays and lesbians are predatory pedophiles and here is the proof!

Honestly conservatives/Republicans are so fucking hypocritical when it comes to the "Dems/Gays are pedos!" shit. Like just recently I was watching this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvKOEUh-KSo

So Republicans are calling US pedos but at the same time they're introducing a marriage bill that has no minimum age requirement? And I'm supposed to believe that was just a mistake or oversight? Like yeah, liberals/Democrats do absolutely deserve to be criticized and scrutinized for the trans kid shit. I fully agree there. But at the same time how many conservatives who are pearl-clutching over trans kids have no problem with religious fundies having child brides and/or polygyny in their own states? How come conservatives don't show the same outrage when young girls are the victims of straight religious men?

Cuz it really seems to me like conservatives/Republicans only seem to care about CSA when boys are the victims and/or when gays/liberals are the perps. But when conservative religious fundie grown ass men want to marry underage girls it's just rElIgIoUs FrEeDoM.

[–]SilverWolf 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

My dad is just like this. Hates how all the gay characters on tv are "teaching children sex" (yes, even if all they did was kiss) but never had an issue with my younger sister, who is currently in middle school, watching 50 shades even when she was younger then she is now. Also, that and/or in the last paragraph should just be and. If its a boy and a woman republicans would just say the boy was "lucky" and they only care about girls when its their own daughters.

[–]Bothered2JoinFinally 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Let's run through the time line of that bill (https://wapp.capitol.tn.gov/apps/BillInfo/Default.aspx?BillNumber=HB0233). January 2021 it is introduced with language that literally removed the age limit and was set on to be heard after summer which is apparently usually a death sentence. A trash bill gets left in obscurity. January of 2022, it gains more sponsors; I assume because he's talking to other legislators about the amendment he's made that literally scraps and redoes the whole bill. In March, he gets amendment SA0709 added which removes literally everything below "AN ACT to amend Tennessee Code Annotated, Title 8; Title 10; Title 16; Title 36; Title 39; Title 67 and Title 68, relative to marriage." and replaces it with a lot of common law second rate marriage stuff. March 23rd is when the clip pointing out that it doesn't have an explicit age minimum occurs. The website I provided has the bill mentioned in a committee meeting on the 30th, what happened on this day with the bill? Nothing. It was a scheduling error. On April 6th, an amendment is introduced adding an explicit age minimum, although it is tied to the Tennessee Age of Majority Law.

The statement that it should be covered by contract minimum ages is true, but an odd choice to rely on. Should the amendments have been entered as a separate bill and scrap the original entirely? I think so, but I don't know how much more of a hassle that would have been. Was it fixed? The original horrendous version seems to have been done without public prompting afaik. As far as lacking a minimum age requirement, it was amended at the first opportunity. He thought implicit was good enough, found he was wrong, and rectified it. Also where is your evidence that republicans or conservatives support child marriage? You pointed to a mistake that was promptly corrected and used that to misrepresent a large group of people. As a final note, I guess you did point to child brides and polygyny. The answer is that there is an assumption of child brides being illegal, and they don't tend to make mountains out of every criminal; point to a child bride whose husband is free in a state that a republican lives in, and I would expect them to take issue with it. As for polygyny, I think polygamy is a bad choice, but I don't want a nanny state that makes things illegal because they might end up hurting the feelings of those making the choices.

[–]JulienMayfair 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In my opinion, where TRAs really fucked up was when they decided they were going to teach a dumbed-down version of postmodern gender identity theory to kids, especially younger kids. They created all this educational material to appeal to young people like the Genderbread Person and the Gender Unicorn. "Putting ideas in" someone's head is a kind of old-fashioned way of talking, but that's really what is going on here. They are putting the idea in kids' heads that maybe they were born in the wrong body, a very dangerous proposition that could lead lots of kids with various problems with social adjustment to conclude that they don't fit in because they're trans.

People don't want that taught to their kids.

A few years ago, Republicans tried the so-called "bathroom bills" that mostly misfired, but the loony left of trans activists has given Republicans everything they need now to push back hard. It's TRA arrogance that will be their undoing, and we will likely get some of the backlash as collateral damage.

[–]Chocolatepudding 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't feel the debate is quite mainstream enough for the general population to have a handle of what's going on. Personally I think when it does the TRAs won't come up smelling of roses.

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I see an astounding amount of people denouncing feminism

I think they are just unaware that there are multiple waves of feminism, All they see is the women who are pushing "tw are women", and the LGB that also support it. So they blame feminism instead of libfems.

that last one REALLY hard to defend these days when we have non-binary college professors defending MAPs and a gay choir singing about coming for your children.

that choir video...oof... such bad optics. and the worst part, someone looked up it's members and 5 of them were convicted of something related to boys under the age of 14. Not a good look for us.

We seem to have forgotten that these things are fragile and can be taken away

Too many LGB young people think our rights are inevitable, but forget we are essentially at the mercy of the heterosexual majority. They simply outnumber us.

[–]reluctant_commenter 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I completely agree with the points you raise. I want to address this last question of yours, because it's an important one:

Besides supporting organizations and having hard conversations with people that support the trans movement, what can be done? I am a woman and a lesbian and I have this horrid feeling generations of lesbians after me will suffer because of the power these delusional pornsick idiots have somehow managed to gain and only use for evil ends.

I'm also lesbian and I have had this question on my mind a lot the past few months. To be honest, I feel helpless to do much about it, and that helpless feeling has led to a lot of other negative feelings.

I will say, these two actions you've already identified:

Besides supporting organizations and having hard conversations with people that support the trans movement

are not meaningless. It may feel like drops in an ocean, but over time it will make a difference. I think a lot of well-meaning straight people who quietly question and wonder at all this madness likely feel like they "aren't allowed" to speak their minds or to voice any doubts about the transgender movement or the very concept of being transgender. I don't end up talking about LGB or T topics with most people IRL, but when I do, often (if they're straight) whoever I'm talking to will say something apologetic like, "I can't really understand it/have an opinion on it because I'm straight," so I tell them, "It doesn't matter what your sexual orientation is, everyone can have an opinion on these things" or "I'm gay and it doesn't hurt me if you disagree with me on a political topic; we're just having a conversation." That often seems to help them open up a little more.

Other things that I think might help:

  • Connecting people in the wild to LGB-friendly communities - I did this during the SuperStraight movement but haven't in a while, but I've been meaning to get started again. Basically, I've seen a ton of LGB-friendly accounts on Reddit and elsewhere that have no idea that LGBDropTheT exists, who have never heard of LGB Alliance, etc.

  • Connecting LGB-friendly communities to other LGB-friendly communities - Honestly, I think we probably don't do enough of this here. I love this sub and I've been trying to help build an LGB ecosystem here on Saidit with s/LGBmemes, but there are likely pockets of LGB people elsewhere on the internet who have no idea that these resources/communities exist.

  • Creating resources that are easy to find and easy to share, about LGB rights and homophobia in the trans movement - I've done a few posts like this but someone unfamiliar with Saidit would never find that; hell, they'd probably never even find our sub's Wiki pages. I'm wondering about 1) what types of "resource posts" are most needed, and 2) how to make them more accessible and easily link-able to people who aren't familiar with Saidit-- or who aren't comfortable with the site's reputation as a home for Jew-hating extremists.

Just some ideas.

edit: Changed a word then it didn't save the edit but saved the fact that I edited it... huh.

[–]IridescentAnacondastrictly dickly 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Don't worry - when the social order collapses (as it sure to do some time in the next couple of decades) women's rights and gay rights will disappear.

In other words, it's not exactly the fault of trans, they're just making the inevitable happen a little bit sooner.

[–]reluctant_commenter 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Don't worry - when the social order collapses (as it sure to do some time in the next couple of decades) women's rights and gay rights will disappear.

Yikes, that's a pessimistic view, but I understand why you might think that. I hope it doesn't come to that, but it's hard to tell what'll happen.

[–]hufflepuff-poet 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Climate catastrophe is inevitable unless we make drastic changes by the end of this decade. Climate refugees are already numbering in the millions but since it's not impacting the West directly, it's swept under the rug. We are a species of sheeple fighting over bullshit on a dying planet. Humanity's days are numbered.

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/02112021/climate-refugees-international-law-cop26/

I recommend reading Storming the Wall on Climate security and the impending resource wars :(

[–]DimDroog 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Wow, not one thing in there about zero population growth. Just keep having kids everyone, and consuming endless junk (the latter in particular for China/USA/Etc.) Limited amount of water and land, quit adding more people to it.

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You could also read the classic science fiction novel The Sheep Look Up by John Brunner [1972], by all accounts a devastating portrait of the environmental disaster we're headed for... though I confess that I've never been able to :(

[–]DimDroog 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It really has. I'm absolutely tired of hearing about LGBT issues, b/c it's always about trans/pronouns, and how can we tell young children about this?

[–]automoderatorHuman-Exclusionary Radical Overlord[M] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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