Legal Rights / PoliticsThe Trans Movement Is Failing Where the Gay-Rights Movement Succeeded (paywalled)

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[–]GenderSpecial 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Just don’t read the comments section 🤢

[–]Bright_paintingLoad, lesbian biologist 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

Why didn't I take that warning... I need the eye bleach NOW!🤢🤢

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Tldr?

[–]lunarstrain[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The gay marriage movement was successful because same-sex marriage doesn't magically invalidate heterosexual marriage nor expect the majority to cater to us in some special way. Because of this, the average person came around, the US going from two-thirds opposed in 2004 to two-thirds in favor in 2014. Republicans, specifically, went from 19% (2004) to 55% (2021). Things like expecting anti-gay religious people to bake cakes or do photography for gay weddings have never gone over particularly well, especially with conservatives, because our sexuality was now impacting other people and their personal beliefs. This is why the trans movement is doing so poorly, they're aggressively campaigning for special privileges that impose their beliefs on everyone else instead of general acceptance and the public perception is only going to get worse if they don't back off.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I've been attacked in social circles for saying the baker shouldn't be required to prepare the cake. Especially since they offered to bake a cake but we're refusing to specifically decorate the cake.

[–]HelloMomo 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Most restaurants have a sign hanging somewhere that says, "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone." If bakeries don't have that, that seems very weird to me.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I guess in some businesses where you need to attend the wedding I could see why there is opposition but ultimately the desire to not want to bake the cake doesn't really hold up well. Discrimination laws are a thing for good reason if we do actually consider sexuality to be innate like race than the law should apply to the same degree. Restaurants may be able to say we have the right to refuse anyone but if you turn away all the black people you are going to get rightfully sued for discrimination.

Plus what if a Muslim, Atheist, Buddhist or Jew asked for their cake to be baked? Would they refuse them too? Are you a Protestant going to do business with the idol worshiping Catholics? It's not like the Bible forbids doing business with unbelievers or sinners so to me I don't really get their point. At the end of the day they just want a license to discriminate and if we do allow people to do that it just creates more hostility and head aches for everyone.

The only argument where I can see the point is say the right to discriminate in organizations that require religious belief such as churches, religious colleges, catholic schools and the like where adhering to the moral code may require some aspects that not all agree to. I think that is fair as long as again it's not infringing on others rights (you can't advocate to kill people who don't conform). A business though is not a religious organization it's a secular one.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A business though is not a religious organization it's a secular one.

Tell that to hobby lobby etc