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[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

This is an interesting find. Funny enough I was talking to a friend the other day who said he had recently changed his mind about pitbulls (from thinking they were misunderstood and that the real problem was bad owners to thinking the breed was inherently dangerous). I noted in that conversation that the breed attracts a type of owner that likes them for their threatening nature and also a type of owner that is attracted to them specifically because they think they're misunderstood and want to rehabilitate their public image. I am not at all surprised that the latter category includes a sizeable number of TRA queer ideologue type people who get off on the idea of subverting societal norms and telling people they need to re-educate themselves.

To be clear I'm not saying that all or most people who think pitbulls are misunderstood are like that. I have a cousin who owns pitbulls and he's a harmless, empathetic softie. I also know people who have had serious injuries from pitbulls. I haven't personally researched pitbulls but I know they have strong jaws that can do more damage than most dogs if applied to human flesh and I also know that purebred dogs were selectively bred to have certain personality, behavioral, and physical traits so it would not surprise me if certain breeds have certain problematic behavioral traits endemic to them.

[–]ShotTopic 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I was sympathetic to pitbulls until my dog was attacked and it was a nightmare trying to get it to release it's jaws from my dog's neck. Now I'm in the camp of many of them have bad owners, but also the breed was bred for fighting. I do know some nice ones but I don't trust the breed as a whole and will leave the dog park (or where ever I am with my dog) if I see one. I don't want them euthanized or anything but I don't think they should continue to be bred. Let the current ones live out their lives with responsible owners and move on.

[–]reluctant_commenter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'm so sorry that happened to your dog. I hope your dog survived and is doing ok.

Now I'm in the camp of many of them have bad owners, but also the breed was bred for fighting.

Yeah that is where I land on this, too. Some people will deny one or the other of those points... I think they're both true.

[–]ShotTopic 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Pup is good! Wound was shallow because my girlfriend saw the pitbull coming and tried to pull our dog away at the last second. So the pitbull's teeth weren't able to get in too deep, it just wouldn't let go once it bit down. Vet did a 'clip and clean' and put her on antibiotics for a bit. I think it freaked us humans out way more than the dog.

Luckily there were some people at the dog park we had met before (our dogs befriended each other). They tried to help remove the pitbull and calmed us down after.

[–]reluctant_commenter 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Really glad your dog turned out mostly okay!! That's thoughtful of the other people at the dog park, I'm glad they were there and helped you. God, I bet, I would've been so freaked out. Hope you all will never experience anything like that again!

[–]SerpensInferna 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

strong jaws that can do more damage than most dogs

I believe that is a myth that has been disproven. They have no more of a dangerous bite than other dog breeds - this is the first article that popped up on a search engine, for instance https://dogfoodsmart.com/pitbull-bite-force/.

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Counterpoint: pitbulls are literally built to maximize biting damage, from their broad chest to the fact that they're bred to hang on until they are dead.

[–]SerpensInferna 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Ahhh, I see now that the much touted "but they have a 1000 lb PSI!1!!!" garbage hysteria has been disproven, the argument moves on to the locking jaw until they are dead gambit. Which besides not being accurate - a dog hanging on to something it has bitten or attacked is not unique to the pit bull breed by any means.

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh, so most dog breeds have been selectively bred to fight to the death, huh? You DO understand that this is the purpose of dog-fighting, right? Attacking and continuing to do so until one or both animals die?

Then why don't those in this "sport" use golden retrievers, or poodles, or just whatever dog breed is handy? Apparently any will do, since "a dog hanging on to something it has bitten or attacked is not unique to the pit bull breed by any means". And yet, strangely, they just KEEP ON USING PIT BULLS. Why, it's almost as though... pit bulls excel at the VERY THING THEY'RE BRED FOR. Which must be a matter of (duh) genetics. Unless you're positing that they are masters of some super-secret canine martial art, or something.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

OK so to clarify the bite problem is not just bite force but that they latch on and maul, are likely to bite multiple parts of the body, pain does not deter them, they are more game to incite violence, when they bite they bite to kill, etc.

[–]SerpensInferna 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

None of these traits are unique to pit bulls or are really true - a dangerous dog will do all of the above, but pit bulls are not more likely to engage in this behavior than any other breed. If this truly concerns you, I encourage you to engage in well-rounded research and not give in to the hysteria around pit bull type dogs.

[–]reluctant_commenter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for sharing your thoughts (I'm way late to respond to this discussion that I started, lol; that's my bad). I agree with your points; I think a lot of people who have sympathy for pitbulls aren't at all just trying to posture and signal for social brownie points, they genuinely feel bad for the dogs and want to help them. But a certain vocal minority of pitbull advocates do seem pretty extreme...

Really fascinating-- and honestly I'm glad-- to see that multiple other people on this sub have noticed the parallel between the two topics! I never would have thought to make a connection between TRAs and pitbull owners had it not been pointed out to me.

I haven't personally researched pitbulls but I know they have strong jaws that can do more damage than most dogs if applied to human flesh

Yeah I'm honestly not sure that it's a physical advantage so much as a psychological one; they've been bred selecting for aggressive traits. It's pretty disturbing, but so many accounts of pitbull attacks seem to involve the dog wagging its tail and seeming excited in a positive, happy way, even while it's mauling someone. Whereas the majority of dogs would not have that sort of emotion while attacking someone, and typically would attack out of self-defense or if they felt threatened.