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[–]reluctant_commenter 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm not trying to dismiss drag queens, but people seem to have this idea in their heads that because they were transgressive in terms of how they dressed, they made social change happen while all the mainstream gay people with careers simply hid in the closet and did nothing. That's not what I remember at all.

This is exactly the message I've been taught, by other LGBTQ+ people around me and by all the media popular among people in my generation. Fascinating to hear the opposite perspective from someone who was actually around for that time period.

I think a key piece, which you highlighted, is this:

What I think a lot of people don't get is that a lot of community organizing and activist work is actually pretty boring. Most of it does not involve dramatic confrontations in the street.

Nobody wants to hear that. Nobody wants to hear the boring details of the actual truth. Certainly not people in the TQ+ movement. I tend to relate much more to the "assimilated gay person" stereotype; being homosexual/bisexual is natural and there's nothing "special" about it. But some people seem to want to hang their entire identities and self-worth off of the fact that they're LGB (if, in fact, they are LGB and aren't just LARPing straight people pretending to be...). I hear so much shit from people my age directed at LGB people who aren't "loud and proud," who don't initiate conversations about their gayness/bisexuality all the time. Just because I don't wear rainbows and the latest TQ+ fashion stereotypes doesn't mean I'm not proud to be myself, or that I'm ashamed of being gay. Such BS.

[–]JulienMayfair[S] 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is exactly the message I've been taught, by other LGBTQ+ people around me and by all the media popular among people in my generation.

I think one engine behind it is the Stonewall Myth, which has taken so many forms over the years. The original that I heard -- before the better studies were published -- was that drag queens upset over the death of Judy Garland fought back against police raiding the bar. We know now that that's nonsense, but I think that story created a template for how this topic is discussed. And part of that template is that the LGB people who led otherwise fairly unremarkable lives were just along for the ride, taking advantage of the progress created by the drag queens.

But reality is a lot messier and less clear-cut. Take Craig Rodwell, Mattachine member, who was already meeting with representatives of the NYC Mayor's office to try to stop police harassment of gay bars before Stonewall happened.