LGB ErasureIf you don't want to suck dick, you're not a lesbian.

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[–]UWUness 13 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 3 fun -  (27 children)

Believe me, I wish this weren't the case, but I'm a lesbian

Whoa there.

I should have expected someone that's so obsessed with the claim that "I couldn't have possibly chosen to be gay" is homophobic ...

All the "born this way" people are homophobic. You make it sound like "gay" is something you wished you could get rid of, but can't because "omg genes and hormones".

I would always choose to be gay, regardless of what we openly gay people experience in society.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (26 children)

I would be bisexual if I could, but of course I cannot choose my sexuality, cannot make myself getting aroused by dick and males, as that isn't a biological thing I can choose. For me is only about the far highr chances to finding someone right. I do find relationship with women superior in everything comparing to relationship with men, I think women are just better, sexually and emotionally, but being part of a super small minority doesn't make life easy. Even in a country where homosexuality is accepted, the dating odds are far worst when your dating poll is severely restricted. That's why I'm not so happy about total homosexuality, nothing to do with homophobia.I like to be a lesbian, I just don't like the stats.

If you really choose to be gay, you clearly a bisexual woman who prefer others women, and so choose to be with only women. Homosexuality isn't a choice.

[–]UWUness 13 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 3 fun -  (25 children)

If you really choose to be gay, you clearly a bisexual woman who prefer others women, and so choose to be with only women. Homosexuality isn't a choice.

I'm not "bisexual". And even if I were before*, I have successfully turned off all "attraction" to men and feel nothing toward them. It's other women that I am attracted to. For all practical purposes, I am a lesbian, who chose her path despite widespread discrimination.

For me is only about the far highr chances to finding someone right. I do find relationship with women superior in everything comparing to relationship with men, I think women are just better, sexually and emotionally, but being part of a super small minority doesn't make life easy. Even in a country where homosexuality is accepted, the dating odds are far worst when your dating poll is severely restricted. That's why I'm not so happy about total homosexuality, nothing to do with homophobia. I like to be lesbian, I just don't like the stats.

The frustration with dating pools is understandable; however, think of it this way. Most, if not all, of the men that claim to be "into" women one way or another are misogynistic, and if there were no laws restricting them, they would be constantly groping, cat-calling and "assaulting" women. The history of men doing as they wish to women is not pretty.

"Better to have no friends than to have fake friends". Change that to, "better to stay single than to be with someone who's only there to get in my pants".

Men that claim to be "into" women do not care for women on average. Most "sexual assault" cases are done by the very men women believe they can trust, their partners, and spouses for instance.

As for the statistics, if the population of the openly gay people were 3%, it would be: 7 billion x 3% = 210,000,000

Women would be half the population: 210,000,000/2 = 105,000,000

You have about 105,000,000 openly gay women in your dating pool, as long as you are open to dating women of ethnicities that are different from yours.

It is a large number in my view that can keep you satisfied.

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (24 children)

So you are saying you can change your sexuality? That sounds pretty homophobic.

You shouldn't be projecting your experience on all homosexual people, because we never had any attraction to opposite sex, and never will be able to. Saying that it was our choice means we could chose to be heterosexual, yet conversion therapy never worked - even for people who really wanted to become straight.

[–]UWUness 9 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 5 fun -  (23 children)

Actually, "I couldn't have possibly chosen to be gay" is what's homophobic. You make it sound like it's something you would never want to be, but have to deal with because "it's not a choice".

I changed my "sexuality" and became a lesbian. That's what it feels like to me. And I'm very happy with my choices. I chose this, despite the discrimination I have to deal with. It gets the knickers of the homophobes in a twist, and makes them "upset", and I'm happy with that. It's an indirect slap in their faces.

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

No, it sounds like something that we can't change and that something that we are. That's it.

Does "I was born a woman and it can not be changed" sounds misogynistic, like something that you would never wanted to be? If no, then why saying the same about being born gay - is homophobic?

While what you are saying is like saying "I was a man before, but I chose to be a woman and now I am a woman and I understand how to be woman and there no difference as we act same way anyways". When no, it is not the case. That is one of reasons why some bisexual people are not liked by homosexual people - because they think they can speak for us and can speak on how it works for everyone else, for some reason they think that all people are bisexual.

And no, it is not indirect slap in the faces of homophobes, in place where I lived such bisexual people were praised by homophobes and set as example to homosexual people that it is possible to change sexuality and this means that we chosen to be gay - so there no reason to not put us in prison, because it was our choice to go against the law.

[–]UWUness 10 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 5 fun -  (16 children)

Your issue is that you compare "sexuality" to something that can not change, e.g. sex. You move from the conclusion that you want, "sexuality is not a choice", to premises. That's backwards. Unlike sex, man or woman, which is an innate property, I don't believe "sexuality" is an innate property. Sex is physical and can be detected and objectively measured, regardless of society and culture. "Sexuality" is in the mind, completely influenced by society and culture, and can never be objectively measured. It's subjective.

I would compare "sexuality" to other desires, e.g. I crave eating a cake now, but I won't. And stop the desire.

The label "bisexual" wouldn't work on me. I feel nothing toward men. "Born this way" can not explain and include people such as myself that do not engage in the "straight" lifestyle, and have done their best to turn off any feeling toward the opposite sex.

That I feel I chose to be gay is pro-gay, and in no way homophobic. It's "born this way" that was used to send the message, "we couldn't have possibly helped ourselves" as though "gay" is an illness you wouldn't choose if you could.

it is not indirect slap in the faces of homophobes

It is. I do the opposite of what homophobes want. They want people to choose the "straight" lifestyle. I don't. That's a slap in their face.

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

The fact that you don't believe something is not making it reality. Gender activists are believing that sex is something that can be changed and that it is a choice. How their belief is different to yours? Experiments so far showing that sexuality is immutable, like sex. Sexuality is not influenced by culture, because it exist in animal kingdom as well and it exist even in primitive human tribes. It isn't subjective - it is observable. Homosexuality is not a desire, it is sexuality.

The label "bisexual" wouldn't work on me.

It does, you was able to feel something towards men. This means that it is two sexes you was attracted. Two sexes is bisexuality. If bisexual man is in lifelong relationship with a woman it does not mean that he is straight now, it means that he is bisexual but have chosen to live with a woman and be attracted to women.

and have done their best to turn off any feeling toward the opposite sex.

Which means it is something you do. Sexuality is not something you do, sexuality is something you are. Being transgender is something you do as well and not something you are. So camparing them how you are framing them - is valid.

And same as transwomen do not understand women and their experience - you don't understand our experience. And at same time you are trying to talk over us and over our experience, like you know better what we feel and live through - just like transwomen doing to women. It is a bad practice to act so narcissistically.

it SOUNDS LIKE

It's "born this way" that was used to send the message, "we couldn't have possibly helped ourselves" as though "gay" is an illness you wouldn't choose if you could.

So again, is being born woman or a man is "we couldn't have possibly helped ourselves" as thought being "man" or "woman" is an illness you wouldn't chose if you could? What about height? What about color of eyes? It just makes no sense. Is it SOUNDS LIKE that? You said that phrasing itself sounds like that.

It is. I do the opposite of what homophobes want. They want people to choose the "straight" lifestyle. I don't. That's a slap in their face.

They want sexuality to be a choice and not something innate, they don't want to believe it is something that people just are. Because then they are the bigots and they are on a level of racists, as they are hating someone for their innate qualities.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

She's a political lesbian

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Looks like.

Thought it is weird that she has upvotes, last time I was active on this sub half a year ago, such views weren't supported. Seems a lot of has changed since.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Surprising, but not too much, men hating bi women who call themselves lesbians are pretty common. Or else she's upvoting her own comments with others accounts. It's crazy that on this forum there are various people supporting the idea that homosexuality is a choice.

[–]stunaep 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I am also thinking multiple accounts maybe. This lady is crazy lol

[–]reluctant_commenter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Just stumbled on this thread late. I agree, that seems likely.