DiscussionDo you ever try to peak people?

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[–]IridescentAnacondastrictly dickly 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I am working on a family member who is visiting for holidays. She has never heard about any of the stuff we now take for granted, and when I dribble out factoids her mouth drops, Whaaaaaat!?!?!

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sending you peaking success vibes. Happy holidays!

[–]ChunkeeguyTeam T*RF Fuck Yeah 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

But by bit. I’ve tried the “how long do you have” approach but I think that just puts people off listening. So I just deal with one issue at a time when it arises and challenge people on whether they think the situation is reasonable/scientifically sound/homophobic etc

[–]reluctant_commenter 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yup, I agree with that strategy. I think it's more persuasive when it's a relevant issue that comes up, rather than listing a bunch of issues at once-- unless it's someone who really seems curious to talk at length on the subject.

[–]reluctant_commenter 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah I have tried, several times.

So far:

  • I told one straight friend about homophobia in the trans movement, and her reaction was complete indifference. Which I found a little dismaying; I was hoping she'd at least express some sort of empathy for how it affects LGB people, but I'm also relieved that she doesn't mind at all what my views are on the subject.

  • I told two separate friends of mine who are straight guys, and they were both in complete agreement and had criticisms of the trans rights movement, and scoffed at people virtual signaling. They didn't seem very interested in discussing the more harmful side of gender identity ideology, though, just the cringe. Which I don't mind joking about a bit, but it doesn't make for a very substantive conversation, unfortunately.

  • I told a close friend I've known for years, about r/AL and the whole "cotton ceiling" BS. I had to go slow, but I've slowly gotten into conversations with him about the big stuff-- transing children, the definition of gender identity, what should society ideally do to be actually accepting of gender-nonconforming people, etc. It felt so nice to be able to just talk to someone about it.

But with all these people, I've been very wary when starting conversations about homophobia within LGBTQ+ communities. Criticizing the TQ+ movement is socially taboo, at least where I live. I still have never just had a 100% unfiltered, "speak my mind freely" type of conversation with anyone about this topic, IRL. Currently, the only place I can do that is this sub. Which is why I appreciate you people so much :)

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

See also this conversation: https://saidit.net/s/LGBDropTheT/comments/8ldp/a_guide_to_peaking_the_woke_claimed_100_success/

[–]Houseplant 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Never needed to. When the topic comes up naturally everyone I know has basically said they know twam/tmaw but you gotta lie to be nice. Asking them why they have to is all it takes.

[–]Hannibalboy93 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

We definitely need to peak even more people I want this sub to get up to 10,000 members. I feel like we have to start voting for the conservative party in order to stop this trans madness.

[–]reluctant_commenter 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't know that one party or the other is a particularly better option, at least in the US (I'm guessing you're referring to the Conservative party in the UK). But I agree, it would be amazing to get this sub that big.

If I have more time, I'd like to go do some advertising for this sub on LGB-friendly Youtube channels and Twitter threads, that sort of thing. I bet there are a lot of people on non-Reddit platforms who don't even know we exist!

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If only they were not up to tons of shady things otherwise. Don't think I can go there considering what is at stake. Old-school conservatives, maybe, but not the current US GOP. I'd rather slog through undoing the damage from this for longer than put further at risk the things they want to screw up.

[–]dilsencySame-sex community 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I bring up some of the points, just not all at once.

  • TRA vs. gender non-conformity: "No one fits society's expectations of masculinity. That doesn't make me not a man, it doesn't make me non-binary, and it doesn't make me trans. Seeing how women are written and thinking that if you don't agree or relate to that, it means that you're not a woman, not that the writing is one-dimensional."

  • TRA vs. sexuality: "It's supposedly bigoted to not see people as what they claim to be. And if you include people in wo/manhood, that means also including them in dating pools, otherwise, do you really see them as what they claim to be? Lesbians are harassed mercilessly for not being attracted to male people."

  • TRA vs. women: "There's a rape clinic that had a dead rat nailed to it by activists for not letting in male people. Somehow it's more important to validate male people who claim to be women, than it is for women to feel safe away from people of the sex that raped them."

  • TRA vs. free speech: "J.K. Rowling made tweets arguing that biological sex is an important characteristic; it cannot be replaced with gender identity without harming women and homosexuals. Now she's received rape and death threats, and activists are outside her house, posting her home address to their peers. If I was her I'd be uncomfortable too."

[–]fuck_reddit 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, I’ve found that straight people are often very disturbed by the TQ+ but woefully uninformed. I usually just try and provide them accurate information about things they are concerned about.

[–]Starfruit 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I have a therapist friend who has a trans man client. Refers to her as "a guy". Does not challenge the client's delusion. I told her about Keira Bell and other detransitioners who have told how their "gender therapists" were worse than useless. She grew flustered so maybe there's hope for her.

[–]Femaleisnthateful 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I tread very carefully. It's a difficult subject to broach if you don't know where people are on the issue, and I'm wary of being accused of being paranoid or a transphobe, especially with people who are friends or co-workers (and who else am I going to talk to?) I'm careful to assess people's own level of involvement with the subject before discussing it openly. I've discovered the hard way that some of my LGB coworkers who I had initially thought were gender critical (or should be!) have drunk the Koolaid. I was having a rough time last week when my butch lesbian co-worker sent me an email with 'she/they' pronouns. Sigh. Then last weekend my closest work buddy started ranting to me about how our Wokeplace has turned the changerooms gender-neutral (seriously!) and that's how I discovered that she and her bf are gender critical AF. Small victories!

[–]BootsAndBeards 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Nah, I only ever see this kind of thing online, and I’m pretty sure most of my straight friends have no idea, even my gay friends don’t exactly follow ‘the discourse’ happening online. So it just isn’t relevant.

[–]hufflepuff-poet 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I wish I lived in a place where this issue could be avoided. I feel like I have to walk on eggshells all the time, it pops up at work, my personal life and just existing in my city--I think the Orwellian vibe of how inescapable and all-consuming trans rites are is what disturbs me so much. Drowning in a sea of "TWAW AND DON'T YOU DARE FORGET IT!"

[–]BootsAndBeards 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, I live in a pretty small city in the Midwest. I’ve only met two trans people irl and no one who ever went by they/them or some other wierd stuff as far as I’m aware.