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[–]winterwillow 29 insightful - 2 fun29 insightful - 1 fun30 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Since according to trans ideology, one’s gender identity has nothing to do with clothes or behavior but just one’s internal sense of self let’s see what Queen Christina herself wrote in her biography.

She thanks God for having been born female “You in your mercy have saved me from the weaknesses of my sex, and also given the rest of my body and mind masculine qualities. You have used yourself of my sex to save me from my country’s vices. Had it been your will that I had been a man, maybe the habits of the country and the judgement of my followers would have ruined me.”

So she knows she’s female, albeit with masculine qualities, (which in the 17h century meant prefers geography to embroidery) and seems content, not thinking she’s born in the wrong body. Doesn’t get more ‘cis’ than that.

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 17 insightful - 9 fun17 insightful - 8 fun18 insightful - 9 fun -  (2 children)

"Well, back then there wasn't a word for trans, so that's why she didn't use it, bigot. Everyone knows that women who wear pants = men."

[–]julesburm1891 15 insightful - 6 fun15 insightful - 5 fun16 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

But also, “homosexuality is a nineteenth century concept. Trans people have always been around.”

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 7 insightful - 11 fun7 insightful - 10 fun8 insightful - 11 fun -  (0 children)

"There were trans cavemen, don't ya know?"

[–]winterwillow 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I actually kept reading about her, and I knew there were rumors about her being intersex, but what I didn’t know was that it was actually started by a gynecologist in 1937. (The heydays of rejuvination, transexualism and eugenics.) He wrote a study on how he thought she was a “pseudohermophrodite” and her refusal to marry he deemed “sexual neurosis”. These ideas became very mainstream and was only debunked in 1965, when they actually excavated her and analyzed her skeleton, concluding that it was female without any signs of an intersex condition.

She’s also mostly depicted in dresses and had both male and female romantic interests from what I gather, so I do think it’s the lingering hermophrodite thing + no marriage that gets Queen Christina transed/queered often.

[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

And not only does she recognize that she is a masculine woman, she is proud of that and believes that being female has given her perspective that allowed her to achieve what a man would not. This is one of the most proud lesbians in all of ancient history and yet they want to say she was a man for not submitting to what the men said.

How sexist can these people get?

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 9 insightful - 7 fun9 insightful - 6 fun10 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

Ann Lister was probably the most proud of the lesbians in the history. She was also masculine, went around in men clothes, was a business woman, fucked many women and lived with woman as her wife, she said God made her to love women and so was natural. Trans have tried to turn her into a transman too, because she wasn't traditionally feminine

PS: I like bed fellow more than fuckbuddy, it's more classy. "Wanna be my bed fellow, my lady?" LMAO

[–]julesburm1891 23 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 0 fun24 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

God forbid lesbians and/or GNC women have existed in history.

[–][deleted] 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Ah yes, wearing pants and sleeping with a woman clearly means she was really a man.

[–]wendyokoopa1 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'm female, I enjoy being female but I wear comfortable men's shirts and pants, I love "male games"(quotes because in certain circles first person shooters are a male game). But I'm weak yet I'm strong. I have shed my lining, experienced infections no one should suffer. I could have chosen children I have loved and lusted. I've worn makeup, and perfumes. Done wood working, and painted. I've enjoyed knitting, and sewing. I'm my gender but I'm not my gender.

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Also being autistic could contribute to your non-comformity (I think I recall you mentioning you were a while back, as am I)? In other words, we don't have that innate sense of 'this is how a woman should behave/this is what a woman should wear', and therefore we do as we like, and tend to lean towards the practical, i.e. looser men's clothing, STEM, etc, which happen to be more masculine.

[–]wendyokoopa1 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes I am. But I was also elaborating on something someone else said

[–]HelloMomo 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Just while we're on the topic, there's a movie about her on Netflix, called The Girl King. I enjoyed it, and some of you might too.

[–]reluctant_commenter 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Will take a look, thanks!