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[–]JulienMayfair 16 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

If someone thinks he's a great musician, should someone hand him a record contract even if he's so bad that no one can bear to listen to him for more than a couple of minutes?

At what point are we allowed to have any boundaries for suspension of disbelief?

[–]motss-pb 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Homosexuality is an observable reality. It doesn't require faith. We can observe homosexuality as a pattern of exclusively choosing same-sex sexual partners. It occurs in other animal species besides humans. Arousal to same-sex stimuli can also be observed.

The only observable thing about transgenderism would be gender dysphoria. We can say that there are people who experience psychological distress or discomfort about their sex and that they wish to become or be seen as the opposite sex.

Gender identity, however, is not an observable reality and neither is the belief that TWAW or TMAM. No scientific test exists that can identify a "female brain" trapped in a male body. Claiming that a male can identify as female is pure ideology and there is no analogous concept within the gay rights movement.

[–]reluctant_commenter 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Just made a comment about this before I saw yours. Well put.

[–]reluctant_commenter 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Do you believe that people can be gay? If so (assuming you're not gay yourself) what makes you believe that others can be, when there is clearly no actual proof?

It's funny that this person says this, because there is proof of people being gay but there is no proof of gender identity.

By definition, being gay (and bisexual; LGB generally) is a phenomenon that can be objectively measured. There are two ways I can think of measuring it, off the top of my head:

  • biometric data-- this tends to suck for women, as sex research usually focuses on men and neglects (edit: typo) women, but for men, you can literally measure same sex attraction with phallometric tools.

  • behavior-- you can observe, behaviorally, whether someone engages in sexual activity with the same sex.

The latter, in fact, is part of the reason why we are so discriminated against! Because throughout history, straight people observed our behavior and they didn't like it. It's that objective. You don't have to suspend your disbelief in order to know that same-sex attraction exists, you can observe it.

Meanwhile, gender identity by definition is entirely subjectively experienced. There is no way to objectively measure it. Just like the Holy Spirit concept in Christian religion. It is believed in by dint of faith alone.

[–]dilsencySame-sex community 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

EDIT: Being homosexual informs whom you pursue intimate relationships with, and with whom you do not. Which is what the opposition objects to, not the reason behind it.

Calling it a feeling is perhaps not the right word, since it's not an emotional state. It doesn't change over the course of the day.

[–]onenaivecanary 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think terming sexual orientation a "feeling" is rounding it down a lot. Your romantic interests shape the way you present yourself to the world and the way you are received in it, and this social awareness presents really young, even though you usually don't know what the cause of it is. Also, there is over a century of research establishing homosexuality as a sexual orientation. We don't know the exact biological cause, but it is pretty clear at this point (to everyone except the gender crowd and extreme religious people) that homosexuality is innate and unchangeable. We have our earliest accounts of adults in consensual homosexual relationships from ancient Greece (especially men - I'm not referencing pederasty here; there's at least one playwright who was viewed as being really odd and made fun of for choosing to live with another adult man). Our earliest account of someone seeking SRS comes from Magnus Hirschfeld in the 1910s. There's just way less data, way less research, way more RISK, and the most current research (Lisa Littman) makes it abundantly clear that social factors are at work in the current trans craze.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, I don’t have to support transgenders just to stand up for myself and my own people.

[–]JoeyJoeJoe 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This person is ripe fruit for any cult or pissweak ideology that makes unfalsifiable claims. What an absolute dickhead.