Indoctrination / DoublethinkEpisode 2: Are you dating women or dating vaginas?

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[–][deleted] 32 insightful - 1 fun32 insightful - 0 fun33 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I only want to date someone with a vagina is not the same as saying the only requirement I have is a vagina.

These people are so disingenuous in their arguments and intentionally misconstrue what people are actually saying.

[–]IridescentAnacondastrictly dickly 22 insightful - 8 fun22 insightful - 7 fun23 insightful - 8 fun -  (6 children)

Woman is more then genitals or physical appearance. Woman is something deeper.

The irony!

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 16 insightful - 4 fun16 insightful - 3 fun17 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

And it's kind of an AND thing, not an OR thing.

[–]julesburm1891 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I’m always curious what they think womanhood actually is. They always harp on about it being deep and complex but they never explain what it is.

[–]Ladis_Wascheharuum 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

"Well, the experience of gender is different for everyone, and they're all valid! UwU"
"Okay, my experience of womanhood is in my undeniable biology."
"BIGOT! REEEEEEEE!"

[–]julesburm1891 7 insightful - 6 fun7 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

“Can you just try to explain what deep and complex thing makes up womanhood?”

“It’s just deep and complex and you wouldn’t understand, bigot.”

[–]IridescentAnacondastrictly dickly 8 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

Womanhood ... is the feeling of being a woman.

And a woman? A woman is someone who feels themselves to embody womanhood.

It's that simple!

[–]julesburm1891 6 insightful - 6 fun6 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

No circular logic here!

[–]hufflepuff-poet 21 insightful - 3 fun21 insightful - 2 fun22 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Eww, he straight up says lesbians with trauma can "be forgiven for their transphobia" 😒🤢 But I guess all the other lesbians have to accept "girldick" or be labeled "transphobes/bigots". These men are disgusting. Proud transphobe, this is beyond satire. 🤡

[–]bolla_top 18 insightful - 7 fun18 insightful - 6 fun19 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

No, traumatized lesbians need to accept girldick too. They can just be forgiven for having needed some cajoling to reach that point. For the non-traumatized, it will remain on their permanent record.

[–]CaptainMooseEx-Bathhouse Employee 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Stop dating people; we don't need you in the pool.

The only other time I've heard this rhetoric was during the height of the "no one has to tell you their HIV status" discourse and the "masc4masc is internalized homophobia" discourse (among others that bombarded gay men in the 2010s). People are allowed to have their sexual boundaries whether or not it excludes you. That is part of the process of finding and establishing a romantic relationship.

Also, it's not just the genitals. It's every little bit of the body of the other sex that homosexuals don't want to touch intimately or be touched by.

[–]tu_jode_mucho 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Wow I didn't know there was rhetoric encouraging omitting HIV status in the gay community. So everyone forgot the 80s?

[–]tu_jode_mucho 13 insightful - 13 fun13 insightful - 12 fun14 insightful - 13 fun -  (1 child)

Bro don't nobody wanna date your Tory Amos: The Drag Show ass, just get yourself a real doll and sit down somewhere

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 10 insightful - 7 fun10 insightful - 6 fun11 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

Hey, lay off Tori. As Twitter noted: Weird Al Yankovic. (Sorry, Weird Al!)

[–]clitoriana 16 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

This dude is scarier than any horror movie this Halloween.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yup, just put this guy on a loop. But toss in some footage of that sadistic chick gaslighting the young lesbian as well.

[–]julesburm1891 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What drives me mad is that if I posted a video of myself saying “transwomen are men” it would nuke my career forever. Yet, this asshole can post multiple homophobic and rapey screes and it will probably never affect his career.

[–]dilsencySame-sex community 12 insightful - 6 fun12 insightful - 5 fun13 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

It does not matter what is in my pants

This individual is clearly very heated about it. It matters to everyone else, and apparently it matters to them too.

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It does not matter what is in my pants

Well, if it doesn't, why are YOU only pursuing those with a vagina in THEIRS? Awfully SPECIFIC, aren't you? How about practicing what you preach and harassing your fellow girldick-havers to date you instead? Since it DOESN'T MATTER what's in their pants, after all!

[–]JulienMayfair 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Rather than responding in detail, I suggest analyzing the strategy, which is to break things down into details addressed in isolation in order to reach a bizarre conclusion. Attraction is holistic. It's about the whole picture.

It reminds me of a very bright friend of mine who's somewhere on the Aspergers/autism spectrum as he tries to understand other people's emotions and motivations. He comes up with these interpretations that sound completely logical to him, but that are completely wrong. As a result, his social existence is always fraught with trouble.

That's part of what's so creepy to me about TRA "logic." They're constantly insisting that we look at all the elements that go into attraction in strangely disconnected, disjointed ways. The whole strategy speaks to me more about their own distorted perceptions of self and other than it does about any kind of special insight they supposedly have.

[–]wendyokoopa1 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

These people have no clue how even birth wiring works do they? Yesterday I took a trip out to do a spot of semi pleasure shopping. Including a run to a national blue and yellow electronics store. I came in and must have looked lost(I'm tech savvy but I don't know where they keep stuff once I leave tv, and game consoles). Out of no where I hear the most pleasant mildly deep manly voice I look up and immediately lose cohesion. Shoulder length chestnut brown hair, tall, seemingly muscular just a gorgeous specium of man. Even masked up he was just something you wanted to take home. If we see a woman we're not just looking at her vagina like we don't look at men for their penises. We're looking at the entire thing, facial structure, breast size, figure type, then we're looking at their personalities, and their values. But we're wired to date and be attracted to a full biological make up. So we see the bio first then we see the other. I don't want some woman or trans who's all fake tits just like I don't want a trans man with a pussy. I one 100 percent one or the other with no additions the rest of my attraction is going to be commonalities. These morons want us to date personalities only which is oftentimes to hard to do.

[–]Mermer 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Would you look at that I have no dick-related trauma 🤡

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I knew it was that guy when I clicked. I clicked the X.

[–]wendyokoopa1 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sorry for the essay. Tl Dr these idiots need help

[–]dilsencySame-sex community 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

[past trauma] just makes it maybe forgivable, it's still transphobia

"Forgivable", wow. Women need to be forgiven for suffering from trauma, the trauma that men put upon them, by this individual. But also, women have no say in this individual including themselves in female spaces.

Male socialization sure is something.

[–]sadbihours 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

These people have made me religious again only to yearn for Jesus’ return.