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[–]Virginia_Plain 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

There are shows I don't like on Netflix. Shameless, with its infamous transman seduction scene is on there. I despise that crap, think it's homophobic as fuck. But I don't want it banned, I don't want the performers to be jobless, I don't tell my friends that I never want anything to do with them again if they watch it. I just don't watch it, and hate the fact that it's being touted as a "learning opportunity for gay men to work through their prejudice." It's a show, and not all of the characters can behave in a way that I want them to. Hell, you could even watch that scene and be uncomfortable with it, and use that discomfort to have discussions about whether it was appropriate or abusive behavior if it happened in real life. Sometimes characters' behavior needs to be problematic in fiction, and sometimes it needs to be presented in a way that generates discussion without pounding you over the head with THIS IS HOW THE WORLD MUST WORK EVOLVE OR BE TERMINATED.

[–]our_team_is_winning 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Shameless, with its infamous transman seduction scene is on there..... I just don't watch it, and hate the fact that it's being touted as a "learning opportunity for gay men to work through their prejudice."

Change your sexual orientation, because it's just a "prejudice"????

I think Netflix is the devil, so I had no idea this existed. And yet Wokeflix continues to grow.

[–]Virginia_Plain 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

That is basically the argument that the character makes in the show: that gay men need to learn to love all "men's identified" bodies, regardless of whether they have a vagina, breasts, etc. This is also an argument that people make IRL. Some take it further, and believe that everyone must be pansexual: even those men who like bio men and transmen are still "problematic" if they do not extend the same attraction to women, and vice versa for lesbians and heterosexuals of either sex. There's an article I read a few years back that has since been pulled down from the net, which basically said that our attractions must take into account the other person's relative "privilege." Those higher on the stack (say, white, cis, male, and physically fit) had a moral imperative to include those with less "privilege." The end of the article had the author stating that yes, this means gay men must try to make themselves like women, as men had privilege over women.

This was not a two-way street however, and those with less privilege were free to reject those whose characteristics gave them a socially elevated status.

The entire thing made dating and sexuality into some sort of tabletop RPG, with the players exhaustively going through checklists and doing all these additions and subtractions to ensure that yes, their lawful evil elf mage can in fact escape the fireball spell cast by the chaotic neutral halfling wizard.

[–]DimDroog 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Those higher on the stack (say, white, cis, male, and physically fit) had a moral imperative to include those with less "privilege.

FUCK NO.

God I loath these people so much it makes profanities fly out off my fingers.

NO ONE owes anyone crap.

[–]our_team_is_winning 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That is a pseudo intellectual BS way of saying desirable people should have no say in who they have sex with because the undesirable (and they could be "undesirable" just by being female if their target is gay men) will make threats and try to destroy those they can't control.

It's like when you're a little kid and have a crush on someone who doesn't like you back, so you get angry and lash out. But then you grow up. In theory everyone grows up. Obviously not!

[–]TiredTrendersSuper-gay 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"Some take it further, and believe that everyone must be pansexual: even those men who like bio men and transmen are still "problematic" if they do not extend the same attraction to women, and vice versa for lesbians and heterosexuals of either sex. There's an article I read a few years back that has since been pulled down from the net, which basically said that our attractions must take into account the other person's relative "privilege." Those higher on the stack (say, white, cis, male, and physically fit) had a moral imperative to include those with less "privilege." The end of the article had the author stating that yes, this means gay men must try to make themselves like women, as men had privilege over women."

So basically, everyone is bi/pan because "they" believe it so it MUST be true. Also, "how dare you not sleep with men, women, genderspecials, un-privileged folk etc. Everyone is obligated to each other's bodies".

Somehow, rape by coercion doesn't exist in the minds of these people, or they're pretending it doesn't. Completely insane.

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