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[–]szalinskikidproblematic androphile 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Yeah I've also just watched it two days ago and tend to agree with your review. Till then I've only ever seen the infamous 5 minutes about JK Rowling and I did enjoy its effects on TRAs and the fact that he's putting himself out there in solidarity with her. Even though it was quite apparent that he doesn't reeeally understand what he's talking about simply by conflating sex and gender (because Rowling definitely didn't say "gender is fact", quite the opposite) and by totally misinterpreting the current power structures within "LGBTQ+". He also fails to identify gender identity theory as the culprit, separate from homosexuality. BUT we all know what he meant and I guess at this point I'm taking everything I can get.

I am also very happy that the whole thing sparked a discussion. And it even resulted in a mass protest which, until now, looks like an embarrassing and very open attempt at limiting artistic freedom. And for that, I'm thankful.

But, yeah... watching his entire piece made me realize that he really isn't a friend of LGB people in the way we'd like him to be. He's doing "black comedy" (don't know if it's the right term) and I understand that his criticisms and his views are meant for a specific demographic, and he openly made it a point in his show that he's really ever talking about black people/culture/problems in relation to gay people/white people/trans people etc. That's fine with me. I'm not black, I'm not even American or an english native speaker. I really can't relate to a lot of what he says, I sometimes don't even understand it to be honest. In that regard, I feel he is not different from a (radical) feminist who makes it a point to focus on the woman's part of a problem and I can respect that. He's hyper focused on one specific POV, that of a black person within US American society. He does crack jokes about black people, too, but the punchline of his jokes are always "the others". "What does transphobia mean when slavery existed? I can pick fights with gay guys, punch a lesbian woman and call her a man, but when they call the police they've gone too far". I'm paraphrasing. It feels like a big fat rant about other minorities, aimed at like-minded people. In a way, he does kinda play the oppression olympics and I find it a bit hypocritical when he's portrayed as THE voice of reason. "Oh, so you have it hard as a X person? Well let me tell you about my struggle..."

There're a lot of whataboutisms in his jokes and I do feel a lot of people think they now got free passes to be homophobes online through him. Just judging by some comment sections and hot takes from people who claim to be "totally cool with gay people", only to rant about how annoying they are 24/7. Something doesn't add up there.

But I'm glad his show exists. I'm just not willing to throw away my last bit of dignity and pretend that he's the free speech Jesus and laugh and clap at everything he says, just because he doesn't care for (most of the) trans bullshit.

[–]ImSuperCerial 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

His closing 15 minutes were a eulogy for a trans woman and you're out here barking about bullshit. fuck you and fuck off.

[–]szalinskikidproblematic androphile 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Pull yourself together and actually explain to us what your problem is instead of acting like a little boy. What has Dave's friendship with Daphne to do with anything I said? A straight man's friendship and solidarity with another straight man who wants to be treated like the stereotype of a woman, says fuck all about his views on gay people. But it says a lot about you because you're lumping us all together, in LGBdroptheT of all places!

LGB =/= T

For Chapelle, we're all just "the gay community" and if you understood LGBdroptheT, you'd understand that this isn't helpful. "He's not the friend we'd like him to be" is what I said and I assume triggered your response. He jumps at every opportunity to call us butt-fuckers and mannish dykes, but is quick to draw his own oppression card to make a point and shut up his critics. This isn't very different from what woke people do, what TRAs or libfems do. His opportunistic eulogy on a (as close to "sane" as it gets) straight guy with autogynephilia was nice I guess. But what does it have to do with my criticism (which was pretty mild to be fair)?

Sorry for not worshipping Dave Chappelle I guess? Just please don't act like a "straight male feminist/nice guy" for gender critical LGB people, that's not helping anyone, and keep down your hostility if you don't understand the very place you're in. Otherwise, F off yourself :)

[–]ImSuperCerial 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You're reaching out for something that doesn't exist. Anyone that worships any living entity is insane. I'd love for you to explain to me how I've been hostile towards anyone. Can't wait actually.

edit: I can't say it enough. Fuck you and fuck off. Dude poured his heart out over the loss of a friend and your reaction is "how dare you make a joke that hits almost close to home." Fuck off. Seriously just fuck off.

[–]szalinskikidproblematic androphile 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"Fuck you and fuck off", because I'm not 120% on board with the Chappelle hype train? If you think this is a non-hostile way to respond to someone, then I don't know what to tell you. This shows a level of worship regarding his persona, otherwise your response makes no sense to me. I mean, you could've presented an argument why my observation was wrong in your opinion. How about you explain what his "eulogy" for Daphne has to do with my criticism of him?

EDIT: just read your edit. "Please explain how I've been hostile". Dude. Quod erat demonstrandum. And you haven't explained shit, you're acting like a TRA. This isn't about Dave Chappelle AS A PERSON, or his personal loss. This is about his comedy, his message about "the gays" and the recent hype around his free speech persona. And his message is lukewarm, badly researched and sometimes hypocritical and not gay friendly.