HomophobiaWhat trans people don't get is that homosexuals were NEVER attracted to them.

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[–]IridescentAnacondastrictly dickly 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I would argue that this line of thinking leads to an inevitable conclusion that all attraction (even with so-called cisgendered individuals) is ultimately based on illusion. That's kind of a Buddhist perspective and as such is very attractive to me (not to mention consistent with my experience). However it's not very practical. The more pragmatic perspective is closer to this one, basically that attraction has an evolution over time. Even in the case of an LTR attraction can wane for a variety of reasons, often (in the long term) having nothing to do with physical attributes.

One of the things I find so triggering about the "genital preferences" line of argumentation is the idea of locking in attraction at the earliest possible time. I have had a personal and very negative experience with somebody who tried to do this to me -- argue why I should have been attracted him based on signals I may or may not have given at an early point in time -- and when it was clear the argument was going nowhere proceeded to attempt covertly to damage my reputation. It's because so many outspoken trans people communicate a willingness to do this exact very thing that I hate them so much.

[–]7874[S] 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I think there's a difference between feeling attracted to someone, and then having the attraction dissipate because you learned they are actually an asshole or something, and feeling attracted to a front someone is intentionally putting on, an actual lie, and truly feeling zero attraction for that actual, real human being. They're not just a person who you didn't know was rude to waiters, it's someone who is lying about their actual physical body. They are lying about their sex, which attraction is contingent upon for anyone who isn't bisexual.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

which attraction is contingent upon for anyone who isn't bisexual.

And for most of us here who are, who generally dislike the presumptive "if you're bi you'll be attracted to trans people" propaganda that is spewed elsewhere.

Did you happen to see the Superstraight/gay/bisexual/lesbian movement / moment go by? That's how it happened: Those of us who know what words mean getting exasperated with all the ways that they have been misused. Being bisexual is no exception. I require the natural configurations in both cases. If someone has started swapping parts, etc. then I am not attracted to them for the same reason gay men and lesbians aren't.

[–]7874[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Gays and lesbians aren't attracted to trans people of the opposite sex because they are attracted to the same sex only. It's not because they find the whole mishmash of parts thing unsettling, which it definitely is and probably the majority of bisexuals have a problem with that, but they aren't not attracted by the same mechanism.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's exactly the same mechanism. If someone presents me with a config that would also not be of interest to a lesbian or a gay man (given their subset of interest, male OR female depending), I won't be interested either. My acceptance / rejection criteria regarding the other person's understanding of their biological sex and their mental health and comfort with being that sex are the same.

[–]7874[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hypothetically, gays can be attracted to trans-id guys (males) and lesbians can be attracted to trans-id women (females), and while they're probably not that common, they definitely exist.

My acceptance / rejection criteria regarding the other person's understanding of their biological sex and their mental health and comfort with being that sex are the same.

These are just preferences, and while very important, are not the same thing as an orientation.

Here's an example of what I mean: a lesbian is a female homosexual, only attracted to women.

  1. She can't be attracted to a trans-id guy (male) because he's male and she is only attracted to females; in this case, she is not attracted on the basis of her sexual orientation.

  2. She could possibly be attracted to a trans-id woman (female) since she's female, but would most likely find any masculinized features such as removed breasts, extreme body hair, etc. to be a turn-off, because they remind her of males, which she's completely unattracted to as a female homosexual. In this case, she is not attracted on the basis of her sexual orientation.

  3. Now, this isn't the only reason this lesbian is bothered by the trans-id woman. She is also turned-off because the woman is delusional and self-hating. In this case, she is not attracted because of her (completely normal and standard) preference for non-delusional, non-self-hating partners.

Case 3 is the one that bisexuals and lesbians have in common. There are a million other reasons not to be attracted to trans people. But the reason that homosexuals are not attracted to trans people is because of their sexual orientation, while the reason that bisexual people are not attracted to trans people is because of the 99999999 reasons other than their sexual orientation. Some bisexual people are attracted to trans people. But no one has to date them! I'm glad you're not lol you're dodging a bullet, seriously. But some bisexual people are attracted to trans people because the lack of attraction isn't based on: "these traits are the traits of the sex I am not attracted to" or "this person is not the sex I am attracted to", which are the orientation-based disqualifiers.

edit: Made a mistake on case 3, but it's fixed.

edit2: It wasn't fixed last time lol.