Targeting / HarassmentIt makes them so mad when they can't cancel someone lol

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[–][deleted] 28 insightful - 2 fun28 insightful - 1 fun29 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I can't imagine it not being a huge fucking deal if he said equivalent things about any other marginalized group, including gay men.

Oh please, as if trans activists don't regularly say much, much worse about gay men and lesbians.

[–]yellowtail 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's interesting how over and over again, on multiple twitter accounts and even comments on reddit, these straight men in wigs have been trying (but failing) to manipulate the anger they provoked on to gays and it inevitably goes on to lesbians.

Homosexuals always had to be clever in how we were accepted. It had to be a mist of acceptance that was organic and natural, where people just naturally spoke well of us. And these people came on in a time of severe consequences for violating political correctness. That's when they were successful in hijacking gay/lesbian lobbying groups and made them all trans. So when gays and lesbians actually built social and cultural capital, respect and a proper movement we could bequeath to gay and lesbian kids, all of that energy and money, and compassion and trust we built with heteros was squandered on harassing straight people with pronouns.

[–]Rag3 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They keep glossing over the fact that he joked that he beat up a lesbian. I thought we were supposed to be a rainbow family. You think they’d care about lesbians. 😂

[–]julesburm1891 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I haven’t watched it yet, but my understanding is that Chappelle does talk a lot of of shit about gay people not liking DaBaby making some actually shitty remarks about gay people. (Notice how we aren’t sending death/rape threats to him or demanding he be completely deplatformed. But whatever.)

If you don’t like Dave Chappelle, don’t watch the special. It’s that simple.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Who doesn’t Dave Chapelle not talk shit about? Comedians are supposed to make fun of everybody and everything, no matter how sacred. Even back in the Middle Ages, when criticising the king publicly was a capital crime, the court jester was allowed to make fun of the king and crack jokes at the king's expense.

[–]julesburm1891 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree that comedians shouldn’t have any golden calf. My point of contention with Chappelle is that he’s not fairly characterizing the criticism of DaBaby. The guy called gay people nasty and joked about us getting AIDS. (It would be like Matt Boemer calling black people gross and making fun of sickle cell. We should all be able to agree that’s shitty and tacky on both sides.) DaBaby got told he was being a shit head and that was pretty much the end of it. My understanding of this comedy routine, however, is that Chappelle is acting like DaBaby is unfairly put upon by a mob of privileged gays. Like, no. He actually said something pretty homophobic and he got called out. No one is canceling him or threatening him. Let’s all just move on and not play oppression olympics.

[–]yellowtail 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The only way these people (AGP men) hijacked our institutions was by calling every single institution and lobby group racist because it wasnt representing black people and it was mostly white people with money...which was the point: they were the best to represent homosexual interests.

But they kept invoking "intersectionalism" over and over again. Fetishizing blackness and its "victimhood". Every single gay and lesbian lobby group was hijacked by them through charges of racism. And now that very same oppression olympics they uplifted and used against gays and lesbians is now screwing them over because he's black.

[–]Criticallacitirc 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

This Dave Chapelle bit about the LGBTQ community is hilarious. He can make fun of us all he wants

https://youtu.be/ARAROgMXpCM

[–]julesburm1891 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I absolutely love that skit. It cracks me up every time.

It is, however, not what I’m talking about. In the new special, Chappelle apparently goes off about how privileged gays bullied the rapper DaBaby. What actually happened is that DaBaby called gay people nasty and made “jokes” about us getting AIDS. Gays responded by saying DaBaby was an asshole for it and he lost some fans.

If DaBaby merely poked some fun at us, fine. Even if he said, “I don’t agree with that lifestyle” whatever. The problem is that he was being actually fucking hateful and then pretending to be a victim when people told him he was being a dickhead. We aren’t above criticism or poking fun. My problem is when someone pretends we’re oppressing another person by sticking up for ourselves in response to actual homophobia.

[–]censorshipment 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Black comedy, in particular, has always been offensive. Stop trying to police us. This is how we deal with our mental health issues... we talk shit and laugh. Hehe and Haha, motherfucker.

[–]7874 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How would you feel if a white gay comedian was telling racist jokes?

[–]7874 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He didn't say anything hateful towards trans people, but he was really homophobic in the special. He said it was okay to make fun of gay people because black people are more oppressed. Okay, Dave. Let's play your stupid fucking game. As if any gay comedian would get away with telling a racist joke. You'd be crying about racism and everyone would use this as proof that "white cis gays are racist" and use that as leverage to try to dismantle our rights.

What countries is it illegal to be black? In what countries does being black get you the death penalty or castrated? Do black people get to have their own lobby groups in the U.S.? Movements? Are they missing any rights? What about in Europe or Canada?

I'm tired of black being treated as the ultimate victim which apparently gives them a free pass to be as hateful as they want to other groups. I appreciate sane black people, but this is a pattern and our culture encourages it. Dave Chappelle made a few good skits many years ago about racism. Now he's still here crying and jerking off about what a victim he is while he trashes groups that have a more unstable position in society than his. It's pathetic.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Dave Chapelle isn’t even transphobic. Didn’t he have a transgender friend who took his own life because he was harassed by TRAs? He’s a comedian, he has no sacred cow. But of course TRAs don’t care that he’s a comedian. They will try to cancel him anyway, because these people have no sense of humour, and are just miserable creatures overall. I am glad that Chapelle so far hasn’t backed down. In fact, I hope he doubles down. It’s about time someone with reach stood up to these humourless losers.

[–]Cable 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He does go after gay men in the new special, this person clearly hasn't watched it.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

The person puts this up as the reason for outrage.

Reducing trans identity to body parts and then being like "yeah but REALLY we ALL know that's not REALLY a woman's body part"

THE SKY IS FALLING!

[–]Virginia_Plain 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The thing is he's said quite a bit about gay men. His bit about DaBaby was food for thought. And holy SHIT did he eviscerate Jussie Smollett in a previous special.

I agree that the most recent Chapelle special was not his best. It was insightful, but there was a bitter undertone to a lot of it. He seemed defensive and resentful. I didn't laugh very much, but I thought he made some good arguments.

It really was the last bit about the trans comedian that was the most humanistic....talking about how he bombed his performance, only to become a legitimately amusing sideshow when Chapelle started his act was a great story. I could tell that this was someone he genuinely cared about.