Gay MenThe Final Death of an LGBTQ+ Forum

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[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 33 insightful - 1 fun33 insightful - 0 fun34 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Lots of older members were not happy, but were bullied by the newer members.

How it starts.

The gay men? They've just all quietly left.

And how it ends.

It’s not enough to be part of the same group physically. You have to spiritually be a part of that group. The younger members who bullied the older members should have been kicked out, not just for the bullying, but also for advocating that the group be watered down. Maybe the group would have still died eventually, but at least it would have died with dignity as opposed to fading away into a slow death. In fact, there is a chance that the group would have survived, because then younger gay men who see through the bullshit will join the group and keep the spirit of that group alive. In order to be exclusive, you have to exclude people who try to change the fundamentals characteristics of that group.

I hear a lot about how young gay men and boys are whinging about how oppressed they are even though they have it better than older gay men. And I also hear a lot about how these same young gay men and boys treat older gay men poorly. It’s disgusting. But I am going to have to be blunt and acknowledge that older gay men are partly responsible because they tolerated this type of behaviour from these youths. At the same time, if most gay men under 30 are disrespectful shits to their elders, then why should we feel sorry for them if western countries start adopting laws similar to laws in Russia and Hungary?

[–]JulienMayfair[S] 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

As usual, good points from you.

You have to spiritually be a part of that group.

Yes, that sense of deep connection to one another is very important.

In order to be exclusive, you have to exclude people who try to change the fundamentals characteristics of that group.

And to connect these points, the glue that held the group together was our connection to one another as a brotherhood of gay men. The crux of the opposition was a hostility towards that brotherhood, seen from the outside, such that we were eventually told that wanting to experience that sense of brotherhood with one another by excluding those who were not like us actually made us bad people.

It's like a band where members are playing well together because they share a musical vision. Then other people want to join the band who aren't on the same page. Yet they want to be "centered" and demand it on the basis of their declared oppression rather than a sense of spiritual connection.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You’re correct. We as gay men used to have a brotherhood, now it’s gone, because we didn’t appreciate how important it was.

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Can you you remake it with the old members?