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I'm sure that some are bisexual; some are undoubtedly straight women; some may even be lesbian. Do you have a source that suggests they're all bisexual? My understanding was that the "political lesbian" concept not only involves the belief that sexual orientation is chosen, but is specifically about being separate from men:

By definition lesbians cannot be ‘political lesbians’ and ‘political lesbians’ cannot be lesbians. The reason why the two terms exist is exactly because they are two different things that need to be differentiated. If a actual lesbian is a man hater, then she’s a lesbian that is man hater, not a political lesbian. A political lesbian is a non homosexual woman that use homosexual as a political statement, a separatist tool. They are not heterosexual, as you already acknowledged, a straight woman can be a 100% separatist feminist and not sleep with women, such women exist, and they are not political “lesbians” for choosing eternal celibacy or pretend to be asexual. Do not believe a heterosexual woman can be political lesbian. Straight women don’t fuck women. But I cannot show any prove of their sexual orientation, neither can you, so we better off sticking to material reality instead of “what if”.

Are all actually bisexual? Some are severely mentally ill straight women. Some forms of mental illness include symptoms such as lack of awareness of one's own bodily sensations-- a skill that's necessary for observing one's own signs of sexual attraction. It'd be hard to figure out the sexual orientation of those people, at all...

My last answer for your first concern can be applied to this as well.

I think there is some degree of reality to many stereotypes, and also a large degree of inaccuracy. It just depends on the stereotype. The only "political lesbian" I ever met in real life was a straight woman.

You met a political lesbian, anecdotal. It doesn’t take back that political lesbians are bisexual by default, if you use a bit of logic. Btw If she was engaging in homosexuality than your anecdote weight goes from 0 to -100 if she wasn’t engaging on homosexuality than how is she a ‘political lesbian’ and not simply a separatist feminist? I’m not a dumbass dormant or a mother despite being a woman, that doesn’t mean that women having the reputation of being dumbass dormants and be mothers, sometimes both, is inaccurate. A stereotype is a widely held, simplified, belief about a specific group, it is not a intrinsic rule for all.

Evidence?

For what exactly? I don’t need evidence for that. I personally don’t move on too fast, nor I am a serial monogamist, nor will I ever or have ever move in with a woman after just one year (or less) of relationship, none of these stereotypes apply to myself as a individual, but they apply to a large amount of lesbians otherwise they wouldn’t be stereotypes at all. My point was and still is, reputation and stereotypes do not come out of nowhere.

Probably not. From the US CDC National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey (2010): "There were no statistically significant differences between the prevalence of rape, physical violence, and/or stalking when comparing lesbian women and heterosexual women"

Yes, you’re right on this one, probably not but I can see it being probably yes, either way I’m not betting my head on that, hence the ‘probably’.

I don't really understand why you believe so many of these stereotypes about bisexuals OR lesbian women, lol. Like, have you met people IRL who fulfill these stereotypes, or what?

You can’t understand why I think the way I do if you use different metrics to think than I do. You seemly to not even come to term on what is a heterosexual women or a lesbian, for the sake of appearing partial. No offense but a people pleaser not understanding me isn’t really surprising, I don’t understand you either so I think we’re even on that.

I have never met a single woman to fit in all the stereotypes about lesbians at once, but yes I have met lesbians that fit in stereotypes. As for bisexuals.. I have met many bisexuals, far majority at some point or another lay in the bed they made for themselves. This is not to say every single bisexuals are X and deserve z, y, w reputation but that the reputation bisexuals have do reflect reality and those of them that do not fit in on the stereotypes, despite not be responsible for the stereotypes, have no leg to stand on being scandalized surprided pikachu face for stereotypes about them existing as if never in human history a bisexual have done what bisexuals are accused of doing/being. One can fight stereotypes without pretending they come out of nowhere, no need to lies or gaslighting.

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They are not heterosexual, as you already acknowledged, a straight woman can be a 100% separatist feminist and not sleep with women, such women exist, and they are not political “lesbians” for choosing eternal celibacy or pretend to be asexual.

What I quoted was that, for many self-described "political lesbians" that actually is the definition of being a "political lesbian"-- to not want to sleep with men, regardless of whether one sleeps with women. Many of these women claim attraction to men and not women, suggesting that they are straight, as opposed to lesbian or bisexual. But "political lesbianism" is a political belief, which a person of any actual sexual orientation can hold.

To be clear, I am talking about the definition of "political lesbian" as radical feminists originally defined it, and not just the state of being a lesbian (homosexual woman) who has political opinions.

Straight women don’t fuck women.

Yes; and, many self-identified "political lesbians" do not fuck women, as the quote I mentioned above describes.

My last answer for your first concern can be applied to this as well.

Which was:

But I cannot show any prove of their sexual orientation, neither can you, so we better off sticking to material reality instead of “what if”.

I completely agree. But if that's the case, then why'd you respond to u/PenseePansy saying that you thought they were all bisexual?

For what exactly? I don’t need evidence for that.

You need evidence to make broad generalizations about an entire demographic group, or else people might call you out for being unrealistic about that group. Rule 1 in the sidebar: "Don't make broad generalizations." I mean, if this has been your life experience, it's interesting to hear about that; (edit) but it's not necessarily reflective of reality.

hence the ‘probably’.

That's fair.

You can’t understand why I think the way I do if you use different metrics to think than I do.

I am not sure what you mean by this. I like to use evidence-- scientific studies, survey research, and articles-- to back up my claims, if that's what you mean. But the only way I can learn a little more about how you think is if I ask, which is what I did.

You seemly to not even come to term on what is a heterosexual women or a lesbian, for the sake of appearing partial.

Can you quote me where I gave this impression? I-- like (hopefully) everyone else on this sub-- define "lesbian" as a homosexual woman, "straight" as heterosexual, "bisexual" as being attracted to both sexes. That's my frame of reference, and I don't think it's "partial" (i.e. "biased") of me to use those definitions...

No offense but a people pleaser not understanding me isn’t really surprising, I don’t understand you either so I think we’re even on that.

I'm not sure why you are resorting to name-calling, but in any case, I don't think that asking some questions to a user who believes in stereotypes about LGB people constitutes "people-pleasing" behavior. We may have to agree to disagree there.

I have never met a single woman to fit in all the stereotypes about lesbians at once, but yes I have met lesbians that fit in stereotypes. As for bisexuals.. I have met many bisexuals, far majority at some point or another lay in the bed they made for themselves. ...

I am not really sure what you mean by vaguely menacing terms such as "lay in the bed they made for themselves," lol. But it sounds like your experience has been that most of these stereotypes are true; I'm sorry to hear that. For me, some lesbian and bisexual women I've met seem to fit stereotypes, whereas others don't at all (I'm lesbian myself). I think it's simultaneously possible to recognize that anecdotes aren't a reliable basis for making generalizations about an entire demographic. If that were true, then if a straight person met exactly 1 gay person who was rude, they might conclude that all gay people are rude and be fully justified in telling other people that "all gay people are rude, because I had this experience." Which would be slander in regards to the gay people who are not.

One can fight stereotypes without pretending they come out of nowhere, no need to lies or gaslighting.

I agree. At the same time, it is also important to acknowledge the largely-false part that many stereotypes have.

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Many of these women claim attraction to men and not women, suggesting that they are straight,

I'm with RC. I think there is a class of women out there who, for reasons I do not want to get into, nor do I think that conversation would be fruitful, make the mammalian-brain volitional choice to choose other women as partners, in the stead of men. Their reptilian brains direct them towards the men.

This is their choice, and I respect it. However, it is my purview to recognize the nature of their interest in the sexes. People are free to say what they want about themselves, but I do not have to accept their claims, and I do judge them on this.

If a woman introduces herself to me as a heterosexual, but a "political lesbian," then such a woman has my respect. It is the misdirection, misrepresentation that her partnering with other women is due to a physiological compulsion--this draws my extreme ire.

I also do not maintain that political lesbians are necessarily homosexual or bisexual. (These are their words, by the way.)